T-34/76 and its attributes

What are the T-34/76 veterancy benefits? And what are its damage, speed, and armor in comparison to: Panzer IV, Panther, Tiger, and King Tiger? And any other information worth noting? And another thing, is the Lanchester's square law really applicable to tanks? i doubt it

irik wrote:
And another thing, is the Lanchester's square law really applicable to tanks? i doubt it

English:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanchester%27s_laws
Deutsch:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesetz_von_Lanchester

some attribute of the t34

+ has better armor (harder to penetrate)
+ has better acceleration and higher top speed
+has slightly better penetration than a sherman

+- does slightly more splash damage, but the splash damage is not as good as a sherman

-has slightly less health than a sherman or PIV
-extremely poor accuracy
-no upgrades or abilities except for the 85mm upgrade

Is the T-34 less efective than infantry ???

No and yes

Whuh ???

Fishhunterx wrote:
Is the T-34 less efective than infantry ???

Most likely depends on what you are facing and to which infantry you are comparing it.

Lets say there is a Gren squad with a shreck. Then what? Can the T-34 just kite it or something?

Killar wrote:
No and yes

Classic answer of a balancer :P.


I think the t34 was supposed to be a all arounder like the sherman? Correct me if I'm wrong.

^ that it is.

when it comes to its effectiveness against infantry, its effective, when it hits them that is. and when it comes to kiting infantry, you kinda have to use it like you would a cromwell, move, then stop to shoot, since moving while firing will make the t34's already bad accuracy even worse

let's get back on topic. what are the statistical comparisons of the tiger and t-34?

What do you mean? There are too many differences. Better you use corsix

comparing isn't the right word. how good is a tiger's speed when contrasted to soviet tanks? i managed to kill a tiger with 20 t-34s, although 3 of them died

Compstomp much?

The fact 3 of them died surprisses me :P. 20 T-34s should've killed that Tiger in th first salvo :P. Especially if they had 85mm upgrade.

I would say it takes 3 T-34''s to kill a Tiger, given they're tring to circle strafe and stuff. 2 is okay but once you lose 1, it becomes much harder.

Fishhunterx wrote:
The fact 3 of them died surprisses me :P. 20 T-34s should've killed that Tiger in th first salvo :P. Especially if they had 85mm upgrade.

maybe he was attacking the tiger in a line, like pitting the t-34's against it one by one.

Even in a line, it shouldn't take 3 T-34s to kill one lone Tiger if they have 85mm upgrade :-\. Even w/o upgrade they still might win.

The only reason they would be in a straight line in a regular match is if they were all on a bridge and there were tank traps  ::). But at that point we all know what happens ::)

Big Goliath explosions?

That. And V1, Firestorm, and Stukas  ::)

Fishhunterx wrote:
Even in a line, it shouldn't take 3 T-34s to kill one lone Tiger if they have 85mm upgrade :-\. Even w/o upgrade they still might win.

The only reason they would be in a straight line in a regular match is if they were all on a bridge and there were tank traps  ::). But at that point we all know what happens ::)

I think I know why a few of my T-34s kill that tank, it was a king tiger, my mistake. they had 76mm upgrade for it is easier to make. Either some of them were already damaged or the other t-34s didn't come quickly enough or were simply not close enough to attack that kt.

Oh well a KT is another story. But 20 T-34s should have still been able to kill that KT with minimial casualties, especially with 85mm upgrade. If they are all circling it or at least trying toi get around it, the KT's turret will be too slow in order to target on T-34 for too long.

But then again you have 20 T-34s. So all rules basically go out the window :P

Fishhunterx wrote:
But then again you have 20 T-34s. So all rules basically go out the window :P

QFT

Fishhunterx wrote:
especially with 85mm upgrade

remember, all of them had 76mm gun. none of them were trying to get around the kt. as i've said, not all of them got close enough to fire at the kt, and a few were already damaged, which were most likely the t34s that got killed.

Well then if thats the case get closer :P. Im not trying to sound like an ass but if you are out of range and have enough tanks to win, close the distance ASAP. Its like Volks and Rifles. If they are out of range then close the distance quickly or die.

And if your T-34s are damaged retreat them. No T-34 should have to die cause there is 19 other T-34s behind it and wont move :P

T-34s should have to die if they can't survive whatever's thrown at them    ::). But whatever, how would t-34 do against allied tanks? not that they would ever fight them, how many t-34s does it take to take out an m26?

irik wrote:
T-34s should have to die if they can't survive whatever's thrown at them    ::).

They shouldn't be dying the way you describe. I mean a Sherman can take like 3-4 hits from a 88 gun before dying and we consider that a good tank :P. The same goes for the T-34. IIRC it has slightly less health but keep in mind it cost way less so its more spammable :P. You just need to repair it and its fiine.

And as for a T-34 against a Pershing? Well thats not really looked into when it comes to typical game play. You would need some data for that. But if it takes 3 T-34s to kill a Tiger than Im assuming it takes 3 to kill a Pershing :P. Or less if you micro is good and the Pershing is alone (which it probably wont be :P)

Fishhunterx wrote:

irik wrote:
T-34s should have to die if they can't survive whatever's thrown at them    ::).

They shouldn't be dying the way you describe. I mean a Sherman can take like 3-4 hits from a 88 gun before dying and we consider that a good tank :P. The same goes for the T-34. IIRC it has slightly less health but keep in mind it cost way less so its more spammable :P. You just need to repair it and its fiine.

And as for a T-34 against a Pershing? Well thats not really looked into when it comes to typical game play. You would need some data for that. But if it takes 3 T-34s to kill a Tiger than Im assuming it takes 3 to kill a Pershing :P. Or less if you micro is good and the Pershing is alone (which it probably wont be :P)

When i'm just screwing around with cpus, i get careless with russian units. a lot of the time, they just die away. when i'm playing for real, either against people or hard cpus, i play for real. I repair my tanks and such. Against easy cpus, they die away.

Oh well against CPU I just screw around with Panzer IVs and spam them ;D. I understand. All in good fun :D

yup! But when it comes to Allied armor, does going around and hitting their rear armor effective? I know that i don't have to do this, but does it work?

Hitting the rear armor of ANY tank is ALWAYS more effective than simply assualting the front. No matter where the shot came from its is always better to flank :P

irik wrote:
T-34s should have to die if they can't survive whatever's thrown at them    ::). But whatever, how would t-34 do against allied tanks? not that they would ever fight them, how many t-34s does it take to take out an m26?

Play the NHC combiner mod, yesterday I pitted my ami infantry with Zooks against a t-34 offensive, If only I had some screenies.

Did they win ???. I'd honestly like to know :P

They were vet 3 as they had BARs too and rangers, so yeah, but it sure was more intense than destroying a PZ4  but the ISU - 152 1s1ks M10s and hellcats. Kept me on my toes.




So many conscripts were killed that day.

Tankbuster wrote:
but the ISU - 152 1s1ks M10s and hellcats.

What is this suppose to mean ???

when the ISU 152 shot hits a full health Hellcat, it dies.

I think the same goes for HT's and Light Axis vehicles (AC, Puma, Ketty obviously ;D)

I think I will try the Brits vs the SU, wanna see how the comet fares against the IS 2

It'll probably die :P. Seriously, 1 vs 1, I think the IS-2 wins :P

Tankbuster wrote:
when the ISU 152 shot hits a full health Hellcat, it dies.

are you meaning the IS-2? if not, then i think that the ISU-152 serverely needs a nerf.

stealthattack1 wrote:

Tankbuster wrote:
when the ISU 152 shot hits a full health Hellcat, it dies.

are you meaning the IS-2? if not, then i think that the ISU-152 serverely needs a nerf.

Originally SU tanks were never meant to fight US tanks :P. So really its just for fun :D

i know, but still. one shotting hellcats? the reward reward unit was created so that the US would have a more armored AT-tank. just check the stats. the m-10 has better penetration, while the hellcat has more resilient armour.

Maybe its an error in the COH data tat causes it to be one shotted ???

idk. if a balancer could explain if this is true, and why its balanced, that would be greatly appreciated.

First, ISU was never intended to fight US tanks so we aren't going to balance anything like that. Second, the hellcat and M10 both use m10 type armour. Third, the ISU has been changed around a bit in the patch so it won't one-shot vehicles anymore (mostly PE vehicles).

Last edited January 30, 2012 at 2:18 AM by GodlikeDennis

Good, I want it to remain like that.

are you sure about the armour on m-10s and hellcats being the same? if so why does anyone choose the hellcat reward unit? i thought the hellcat had better armour while the M-10 had better penetration.

Hellcats have better speed in RL and in COH :P. Thats one reason. I think they (might) hae better armor or more health. They also get a MG option to help it along.

M10 has a better gun :P But I hear there is a misfire bug (IDK what that is though) so some ppl prefer the Hellcat. And the Hellcat has a Southern accent :D. And I think its easier to run over ppl with a M10 ;D

IDK about vet though. Might be the same :P

Hellcat is faster and has no misfire bug. Wolverine has much better penetration against heavy tanks but with both you'll want to flank anyway. Hellcat has MG upgrade and can cloak. M10 is better at crushing infantry due to the way it can turn sideways very rapidly and seem to slide over infantry. They both have the same vet.

Hellcat is the clear choice vs PE, where you'll use the better speed to sweep through and defeat his vehicles. M10s are usually preferred against Wehr because they are much better against Stugs, P4s, Panthers and Tigers but the misfire bug still makes it a tough choice.

Last edited February 1, 2012 at 9:18 AM by GodlikeDennis

What is this misfire bug I keep hearing about ???. The M10 doesn't shoot or something ?

Hookerhunterx wrote:
What is this misfire bug I keep hearing about ???. The M10 doesn't shoot or something ?

It had that bug before the recent vCoH patch. The accuracy somehow felt down to 5%.