[1.52] Langres, SU vs. Wehr

Good game.

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Last edited January 13, 2012 at 1:33 AM by SnappingTurtle

You should've uploaded to an external site rather than upload to the forum. For anyone who gets an index.php file after downloading, rename it to:

2p_langres.2012-01-12.14-36-00.rec.zip

and it will magically work.

BTW I appreciate any feedback.

You played decently against an abusive strat. You needed to counter the assault nades a little better by moving the unit the enemy was targeting away, while charging with another squad with SMGs. You also need to be sure you are actually cutting your enemy off on Langres by capping the mid point as well. If you had succeeded in cutting him off, he would've had less munitions for assault nades and you would have destroyed him sooner.

Overall you didn't play too badly and you teched correctly by going for RBS. I wasn't sure about the doctrine choice though. I would probably have gone BT to counter the StuH with a SU-76 and eventual Tiger with an IS-3.

Thanks for the tips GLD. To be sure the soviet doctrines are the weakest point in my knowledge of the faction. If there's ever a soviet unit guide it should start there.

For a quick rundown:

Urban, best against a light grenspam with a couple bunkers. Flares and SA are good for spotting with mortars, so if I go HMs I usually go Urban. KV-2 and double flame Sturmovie are also a good counter to scattered entrenchments but not concentrated ones. Urban is a good doctrine against a player who doesn't have fast reflexes and likes to play it slow with lots of MGs etc. A surprise Partisan attack can win the game there and most of Urban's tools are best against weapons teams and MGs. Urban is worst against T3 Wehr.

Against very heavy infantry spams with a lot of defenses, prop is best. It's also useful against a fast T3 because NI can perform better than THs in an AT role (now). Prop is good all round but is weak if facing a heavy enemy tank unless you already have a few AT defenses up. I will usually default to prop if I can't decide on a doctrine because the additional arty support lategame adds a new facet to my army, rather than just giving me some better version of what I already have or can get. In 1.6, if I float a lot of midgame munitions I definitely go prop. Prop is also good when enemy infantry is stronger than yours and extremely aggressive, since you can use a lot of defensive bonuses to even the tide.

I normally go breakthrough against enemy T3 or if I know he's chosen a doctrine with a heavy endgame tank. I sometimes go BT when I have a very heavy T2 of my own and emulate a grenspam -> KT type tactic with an IS-3 instead. Breakthrough can be used if you are strong already non-doctrinally (heavy T2) by going RHS or if you need that shock unit by going LHS tank riders.

Last edited January 13, 2012 at 4:07 PM by GodlikeDennis

^^ this is a very good doctrine guide. im actually considering printing it out XD

Haha good to know. Maybe I'll expand on it when I have time and the patch is out so I don't give away any secrets.

if you get to it, awsome! if you dont, thanks anyway man!  :)

@ SnappingTurtle: You should also not build Anti-Tank-Guns if you see your enemy has Vet3 Volksgrenadiers and he chooses the right side of Blitz-doc (so no StuH). Better get Sniper or more Inf instead of ATG cause you dont need it at that moment.