how to counter pg spam

how do u counter panzergrendiers spam especially if the squads are equipped with mp44?
considering that you're playing as soviets.

IIRC, Sturmovies should be a good choice. You can also pick up snipers from T2.

Or just get out one or two T90s, they should do a great job pinning and annihilating the Grens. Clear the rest with Sturmovie, as bishop said.

Mines and snipers backed up by atguns. GG for PE.

blackbishop wrote:
IIRC, Sturmovies should be a good choice. You can also pick up snipers from T2.

Watch out... Hint is no longer up to date after 1.6 :P.

i agree mines,dugout are good when being defensive.but i want an offensive unit.i tried t-90 but it sucks it pins them but for some reason it cant hurt the armoured car or scout car of pe it can only damage kettenkart.i watched it shoot an armoured cars but it couldn't even decrease the health of the ac.snipers are good but if the pe player has too many pg squads its no use.

If you're not doing so well as Soviets I think you should get T2 as soon as possible, spend your manpower on strelky and other T2 units, and spend your munitions and fuel at the armoury buffing your T2 units. Maybe get molotovs.

The main trouble with a PG blob is that you don't want to feed it vet. So I think you should try to let them come to you and ambush them with mines and your units. Snipers, spotter artillery, command squad artillery, DP-28s (remember the stand your ground ability), molotovs, mortars. They're all pretty good.

You should also have some doctrinal abilities at this point. Partisan traps, the propaganda doctrine abilites, a KV-2. Ingenery can build wire, sandbags, MG emplacements. It depends on how good your opponent is, what units he has, and the idea is not to try to use all of these but pick the best ones from the pile. The idea though is to defend the territory you need to maintain a steady flow of units, tech, abilities and whatever, and get one really good ambush. Hopefully you totally own his blob and he spends so much manpower and time reinforcing that you can cut him off and form a new line.

I'm talking defensive play here but if he has a significant blob then it's into mid-game already, so I don't mean that you shouldn't play offensively at the start if you can. The main thing to watch out for when playing defensively is artillery. Hopefully if he spent so much manpower on PGs he won't have a large variety of units. If he has a mortar halftrack or a hummel or stukas then you may have to change your tactics, or hunt the mortar halftracks if they're not supported.

None of this is proven I'm just thinking aloud.

P.S. The last time I checked T-90s are perfectly able to kill PE light vehicles.

Last edited January 11, 2012 at 5:16 PM by SnappingTurtle

i played with t-90s.tried it against ai and even human players. it doesn't damage pe vehicles.is it a bug?

your first question was asking how to counter panzer grens. if you want to  take on ac's, i think that the t-70 is better vs light vehicles.

Walki wrote:

blackbishop wrote:
IIRC, Sturmovies should be a good choice. You can also pick up snipers from T2.

Watch out... Hint is no longer up to date after 1.6 :P.

The hell are you talking about?

Try to beat a mp44 squad with a sturmmovie squad you will lose.

Walki wrote:
Try to beat a mp44 squad with a sturmmovie squad you will lose.

Play a 1v1 against me and I'll prove you wrong. Deadly wrong.

Besides doctrinal Falls with FG42, Panzer Elite only has PGrens with MP44 as special anti-infantry squad. They shall always beat sturmovies in normal circumstances.

At whom the reservation (protection) is stronger at sturmovuh engineers or sturmmovie squad? ???

Cranialwizard wrote:

Walki wrote:
Try to beat a mp44 squad with a sturmmovie squad you will lose.

Play a 1v1 against me and I'll prove you wrong. Deadly wrong.

Ok but you should probably try to show up so we can play a 1vs1.

I'm afraid that won't be necessary anymore Walki1 :P. (nudgenudgecheckthesvnlognudgenudge)

I thought purchasing Field Craft prevented PG from hitting mines  ???

And you could always use KV-2 (very effective tank vs PE as it can easily kill light armor, watch out for tread breaker) or dual snipers. Or heavy mortar. But then again you should probably take someone elses advice  :P

QuoteI thought purchasing Field Craft prevented PG from hitting mines

If they have 2 hummels and 4 panthers your screwed anyway. They can only have so much.

SnappingTurtle wrote:

QuoteI thought purchasing Field Craft prevented PG from hitting mines

If they have 2 hummels and 4 panthers your screwed anyway. They can only have so much.

Well if they have that much armor either you're screwed or there will be huge armor battle  ;D

Field craft doesn't prevent you from hitting a mine you haven't detected. You can only detect mines when stationary.

Wait so you need to stand still in order to detect a mine? Wow I never knew that  :'(

Can Kettenkrad still detect mines while its cloaked  ???

Yes it can. Only PGs have to stand still to detect the mines. Ketty and minesweepers don't have to.

stealthattack1 wrote:
your first question was asking how to counter panzer grens. if you want to  take on ac's, i think that the t-70 is better vs light vehicles.

why does it mention in game that t-90 is good against light vehciles and infantry.

IDK, I flanked a PG squad with my T-90 and fired a full salvo at them. They took no damage.

T90 is actually broken in the current patch at anything other than short range.

GodlikeDennis wrote:
Yes it can. Only PGs have to stand still to detect the mines. Ketty and minesweepers don't have to.

PGs and Falls.

I was fairly sure falls don't get the benefit of field craft. Someone can feel free to correct me though.

they don't get a benefit.

AHA! I love being right. :P

Sorry, but @Baralhaum is right.

Falls and PGrens of any kind benefit from mine detection when the Field Craft upgrade is researched. Falls do not benefit however, of the faster cap rate bonus. Luftwaffe Ground Forces doesn't get benefits at all(just to clarify :P).

ouch.

Is T-90 getting fixed in 1.6? B/C quite honestly its confusing to use :-\

Fishhunterx wrote:
Is T-90 getting fixed in 1.6? B/C quite honestly its confusing to use :-\

Yes, sort of :D

MaxiKing6 wrote:

Fishhunterx wrote:
Is T-90 getting fixed in 1.6? B/C quite honestly its confusing to use :-\

Yes, sort of :D

Im glad to hear that ^-^

So will it be like a Puma with Greyhound armor?