New Balancers wanted!

this is partly the reason i didnt apply.

blackbishop wrote:
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Also, you are contradicting yourself. If we cannot get decent balancers how are we going to balance, let's say US vs US? Does allowing such proposal helps EF at all?

Unless you want a mindless game, everything here needs balance.

I hope the first question is a joke. Helps cause more players gona join, running away from Vanilla unbalance or looking for something new.

I dont want a mindless game, i just feel sad to log in on EF, found 3 or 4 skirmishes and no basic matchs.

Tankbuster wrote:
Play NHC combiner mod. That will whet your mirror appetite.

Not exactly what i want, but is a good. Thanks for the tip.

Baralhaum wrote:
I dont want a mindless game, i just feel sad to log in on EF, found 3 or 4 skirmishes and no basic matchs.

And exactly that is the problem, this attitude is crucial for Eastern Front. People always complain that there are no basic matches and leave. How the heck should it be able to establish if players like you keep on doing that? Bring some patience, get yourself a beer or a coffee, depends on your choice. You could also take a trip to the forums and ask for a game, there is always someone willing to play.

With the current balance i just dont like to play. On the past, i used to host a game, wait 10 mins, without a match.

What's wrong with the current balance compared to how it used to be in former versions? The latter were a disaster, the Red Army was more than OP, it just steamrolled everything that crossed its way. Wait for 1.6, the final Soviet balance patch. Then I'd like to hear what you've got to say.

People who say "final" or "definitive" patch is too optimistic. COH is too complex for it.

That's true, even Relic didn't achieve a perfect balance after five years of development and various patches, so how should a small balance team of 5 or 6 guys be able to do that, working without getting paid? But I guarantee you, I played the internal beta for 1.6 and Soviets come very close to that which is defined as "final(ly)" or "definitive(ly)" balanced.

Baralhaum wrote:

blackbishop wrote:
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Also, you are contradicting yourself. If we cannot get decent balancers how are we going to balance, let's say US vs US? Does allowing such proposal helps EF at all?

Unless you want a mindless game, everything here needs balance.

I hope the first question is a joke. Helps cause more players gona join, running away from Vanilla unbalance or looking for something new.

I dont want a mindless game, i just feel sad to log in on EF, found 3 or 4 skirmishes and no basic matchs.

I don't really think that allowing mirrored matches would bring the kind players we are looking for. Relic never intended to do it, that's why we haven't done such thing.

Last edited January 12, 2012 at 7:09 PM by blackbishop

MaxiKing6 wrote:
What's wrong with the current balance compared to how it used to be in former versions? The latter were a disaster, the Red Army was more than OP, it just steamrolled everything that crossed its way. Wait for 1.6, the final Soviet balance patch. Then I'd like to hear what you've got to say.

That's what I keep thinking when I see someone saying how broken soviets are ::).

The 1.6 balance thread is officially larger than the 1.5 thread. Up to 121 pages as of now.

Baralhaum wrote:
With the current balance i just dont like to play. On the past, i used to host a game, wait 10 mins, without a match.

Agree current balance doesn´t attract competetive players. But wait for 1.6, im sure more basic matches will be in the lobby then ;)

About the "final" thingy. That doesn´t mean the balance is perfect. It needs tons of games to achieve that. Just look at coh which is still broken (thx to reborn guys with the latest patch).

We hope that high lvl players will test our next patch and suggest improvments, if there are still some issues left.

Killar wrote:

Baralhaum wrote:
With the current balance i just dont like to play. On the past, i used to host a game, wait 10 mins, without a match.

Agree current balance doesn´t attract competetive players. But wait for 1.6, im sure more basic matches will be in the lobby then ;)

About the "final" thingy. That doesn´t mean the balance is perfect. It needs tons of games to achieve that. Just look at coh which is still broken (thx to reborn guys with the latest patch).

We hope that high lvl players will test our next patch and suggest improvments, if there are still some issues left.

and how many things to balance you have? Dozens, a lot, many, not so many, few?

That would be telling. :P

blackbishop wrote:

MaxiKing6 wrote:
What's wrong with the current balance compared to how it used to be in former versions? The latter were a disaster, the Red Army was more than OP, it just steamrolled everything that crossed its way. Wait for 1.6, the final Soviet balance patch. Then I'd like to hear what you've got to say.

That's what I keep thinking when I see someone saying how broken soviets are ::).

HAHA. ITs funny b/c even though SU was OP, I still lost most games XD

I think we should judge (or give constructive critisim) once 1.6 comes out. Not now. Be patient  :D

iirc there is atm only one soviet unit we havent changed :D
i think that says everything XD

May I inquire what that unit is :P?

IMO every soviet unit was modified for 1.60 :P... Nvm, I think I have read the changelog and know what unit is ;D.

Now you make me want to see the changelog... :P
Any estimated time or perhaps percentage of how much it has been finished?

The patch?

hmmm i think about 90% finished. Main part are the balance improvments.

Last edited January 13, 2012 at 1:10 AM by Killar

one unit? wow. all my (nonexistent) soviet strategies down the drain. i bet the unit is either the injenery or conscript squad.

It's not either of those. Think larger.

KV ???

GodlikeDennis wrote:
The 1.6 balance thread is officially larger than the 1.5 thread. Up to 121 pages as of now.

Not sure how that is possible. :P I deeply respect your effort, but do not have the time to help. :'( But I will do one thing, on the weekends I will try and host at least 2 basic matches. If others follow this lead, we will bring the community back to life.

Fishhunterx wrote:
KV ???

One of them. Good guess.

Balancing takes a LOT of time. We're pretty confident that 1.6 will be a great patch. There may be some issues that can be hotfixed but for the most part, Soviets are done for good.

Last edited January 13, 2012 at 3:00 AM by GodlikeDennis

GodlikeDennis wrote:

Fishhunterx wrote:
KV ???

One of them. Good guess.

Balancing takes a LOT of time. We're pretty confident that 1.6 will be a great patch. There may be some issues that can be hotfixed but for the most part, Soviets are done for good.

Is the IS-3 the same ???
Isn't that what you balancers said about 1.5? ;). Im sure there will always be more things to balance :D

There always is. However, 1.5 was pretty balanced but had some serious design issues still present. 1.6 hopefully fixes everything.

IS-3 was touched on a little.

i think we can say that 1.60 is the version 1.0 should have been

or in other words its more like a rerelease of the soviets :D

evilSpike wrote:
i think we can say that 1.60 is the version 1.0 should have been

or in other words its more like a rerelease of the soviets :D

Again, that just like what you said when 1.5 released...

And again, I become even more impatient to played it just like 1.5... :D
Good luck Dev!!!! ;)

I can't play EF mod because I installed the game in (D:)not in (C)
so it can't read the game???I use WIN7.

billhuang1224 wrote:
I can't play EF mod because I installed the game in (D:)not in (C)
so it can't read the game???I use WIN7.

Then try to deinstall the game and install it again. Maybe some files corrupted.

My wrote:
Again, that just like what you said when 1.5 released...

1.5 was a major improvment to the former version but had still some serious design and balance issues left. With the current patch we try to fix these. What remains to be done are little changes to make balance better. This needs alot of playing to find out. Just like in vcoh.

evilSpike wrote:
i think we can say that 1.60 is the version 1.0 should have been

or in other words its more like a rerelease of the soviets :D

exactly

Last edited January 13, 2012 at 12:03 PM by Killar

billhuang1224 wrote:
I can't play EF mod because I installed the game in (D:)not in (C)
so it can't read the game???I use WIN7.

First of all, next time please create your topic in the correct section.

Second, if you have your CoH dir in a different path than the default one, just select the correct path while installing and when running the launcher for the first time go to the Settings menu and double check if your "CoH Directory" option has the correct path.

Remember to install the mod in your "Company of Heroes" directory and not in any other self-made directories like "Company of Heroes\EF" or "Company of Heroes\EasternFront" and so on.

1,6 this size the su76 fix?? I now... that is minimal priority... :-\

No, soviet vehicles will be addressed later. But you can sure they are not forgotten ;).

I can play v1.0 well. But I can't play the latest. Why?
Do I need to upgrade to 2.602(COH) to play the latest?!
My COH now is 2.601~

@billhuadng

yes you have to update to the latest relic patch (2.602) then everything should work again
but in the future plz use the right place four your question

I wonder why somehow people feel it's justified to post their errors in the most recent announcement.

Cause it the most viewed topic atm so I guess they will have the best chance of getting their complaint or problem noticed :P

That guy will have a big surprise if he has been playing 1.0 this whole time 8)

Fishhunterx wrote:
Cause it the most viewed topic atm so I guess they will have the best chance of getting their complaint or problem noticed :P

and that's why this is a senseless to talk offtopic here so if you don't talk about the topic then don't post!

Walki wrote:

Fishhunterx wrote:
Cause it the most viewed topic atm so I guess they will have the best chance of getting their complaint or problem noticed :P

and that's why this is a senseless to talk offtopic here so if you don't talk about the topic then don't post!

Chill mate, I started it, yell at me.

We are looking primarily for balancers for 1.7+, by the way.

1.7? But 1.6 isn't out yet :P

It makes no sense to include new balancers for the balance of 1.6 which has been running for months now. Let the guys experienced in that task do it, after that, there may be some fresh air. But in the current situation, balance shouldn't be disturbed by new guys having to get used to team and task.

The current patch is nearly done, and the release date is very close, we are not going to have time to make them adapt to the new version in order to help in the tests.

If thats the case then maybe new balancers should be accepted after 1.6 is released so that they can also get used to this new patch :P

That's what we'll do ;).

Fishhunterx wrote:
If thats the case then maybe new balancers should be accepted after 1.6 is released so that they can also get used to this new patch :P

That's what I meant by "For 1.7"

1.7 that's going to be the RMC super patch, no? Not really much left to fix if 1.6 is indeed perfection, cause after that the Ostheer alpha starts.

Wish I can sign up for that, but I'm not available for this job until late February or so, nor do I have the experience

Something like that yeah :P

neosdark wrote:
Wish I can sign up for that, but I'm not available for this job until late February or so, nor do I have the experience

I think everyone will be busy then. And don't donors get to try it early or something ???