A Stuh barrage can not kill a single individual infantry ???

Guys after a long time playing EF v 1.4, i have noticed a common bug that happen every match include vs bots or vs players is when the Stuh-42 bombard the Sovite's infantries something magically happen and protect those infantries from the barrage they dont die or lose health although the shell is on top of their head, and more furious they are conscripts ??? . When i turn to the original Coh, every thing act smoothly. Is there any cure for this one ? Sorry i can't take a screenshot because it happen too fast.

Could you provide a replay of this issue?
I think you would have better posted this into the bugs and tech support section.

Ok, the latest time i come across with the issue is this morning ( in Vietnam) mean last night in your country. It happen too fast i cant catch it and i forgot to save the replay. And it would be nice if you can move this to the bug fix and tech topic.

Mr.Q wrote:
Ok, the latest time i come across with the issue is this morning ( in Vietnam) mean last night in your country. It happen too fast i cant catch it and i forgot to save the replay. And it would be nice if you can move this to the bug fix and tech topic.

You'll have to save another replay then. We can't really base errors off of no evidence but I can look into it after my flight.

I think this can stay here until we deem that it indeed does happen. I've never heard of something like this happen before. Do you remember if the said StuH-42 had any type of veterancy and if the conscripts had any type of veterancy?

Cranialwizard wrote:

Mr.Q wrote:
Ok, the latest time i come across with the issue is this morning ( in Vietnam) mean last night in your country. It happen too fast i cant catch it and i forgot to save the replay. And it would be nice if you can move this to the bug fix and tech topic.

You'll have to save another replay then. We can't really base errors off of no evidence but I can look into it after my flight.

Indeed. If it's a common bug like you say, there's always an opportunity to save the replay.

This can sometimes happen to KV-2s but I've yet to see it on the StuH42. There should be no difference between EF and vCoH StuHs.

I don't think this is a bug. I've noticed this with the StuH in the unmodded game as well. The KV-2 does it too.

It's simply a matter of miss %, despite the placement of the shot being where it should be. It's more of a visual... misplacement issue, than a gameplay issue.

This is common, like Dot.Shadow said. Sometimes CoH just does it.

I have to agreed. The Stug42 seems to have no effect against infantry ;o
I seen it shoot straight in the middle of a rifleman bloob and maybe .. 2 guys died? XD

I've noticed the IS3 can bounce Stuh shells.

just thought i'd share that. ;)

Seeme wrote:
This is common, like Dot.Shadow said. Sometimes CoH just does it.

It's done that ever since it was turned into an arty tank, if i recall. I'm not sure whether it classifies as a 'bug' or not, but i think it needs fixing anyway. :P

Sommarkatze wrote:
I have to agreed. The Stug42 seems to have no effect against infantry ;o
I seen it shoot straight in the middle of a rifleman bloob and maybe .. 2 guys died? XD

Guys for KV-2 and StuH use attack ground instead of relying on their auto aim.  Most of the time if you attack ground on a blob of infantry it will do more damage and kills than if you let it shoot by itself.

Last edited August 5, 2011 at 10:47 PM by Yauz

That sounds like an exploit to me.... :-\ I think it just needs more tuning. ;)

Sometimes, the Stuh-42's accuracy is too high that it kills the only inf that being targeted ;D, sometimes they shoot in the middle of inf squad but no one died. But I think it's not a real problem because the Stuh-42 always has a chance to shoot again ;D.

How often does a normal arty shell land in the middle of a squad, and not kill anyone? I really think it needs more tuning....

Sometimes crushing infantry with your StuG/StuH is even more effective than waiting and standing and waiting and standing. Be on the move and less vulnerable. It's also a good way when you e.g. face a Bazooka/Recoilless Rifle squad and prevent them from shooting by crushing them. That is a hot pursuit.

Last edited August 5, 2011 at 11:24 PM by MaxiKing6

If you can get them cornered, yeah, but it's extremely difficult to run guys over with just about any tank under most conditions.

pariah wrote:
That sounds like an exploit to me.... :-\ I think it just needs more tuning. ;)

Using attack ground with the StuH and KV-2 not an exploit, mate.  Its more like micro.  Try it out a few times; you'll be surprised how much more damage it does.  Besides, the devs have said they won't change any vanilla unit stats, and that includes the StuH.

As for the crushing thing, you can also micro the StuH /  StuG to "dance / waltz" and crush blobs sometimes.

Last edited August 5, 2011 at 11:32 PM by Yauz

I know they won't change vanilla stats - I just think it's weird how it hits just like normal arty, but is usually far weaker...

If a unit is more accurate with attack-ground than normal attack, i think it's a bug. Attacking-ground near enemy units really feels like an exploit...

And i have no idea how you're supposed to make a tank dance.... ???

pariah wrote:
Attacking-ground near enemy units really feels like an exploit...

No, it's just preventing the StuH from shooting the most isolated guy instead of the big blob. Sometimes it will just aim at the outer members of the squad. COH units are not that intelligent, that's a thing of micro, like Yauz said.

pariah wrote:
And i have no idea how you're supposed to make a tank dance.... ???

Don't you know the Disco Mode of tanks that is engaged when they are out of control?  :P

MaxiKing6 wrote:

pariah wrote:
And i have no idea how you're supposed to make a tank dance.... ???

Don't you know the Disco Mode of tanks that is engaged when they are out of control?  :P

Out of control StuG / StuH and also Hetzers can crush many infantry if the guy is giving stupid move orders, but there's also a way to make the StuG "waltz".

Basically with some quick mouse-click move commands, the StuG / StuH will slide sideways left or right, like if it were on ice and will crush any infantry (guaranteed) in the way for that brief duration of time.  Unfortunately, it's too hard to explain how to pull it off here.

I have noticed that they often travel sideways. I figured it was a bug... I never could figure out any kind of way to trigger it myself, though. I'm not the kind of player who repeatedly gives the same move order, anyway.

Moving sideways is epic for crushing.  ::)

Stugs and M10s are epic for crushing. Churchills aren't too bad either despite their low speed.

And what about Cromwells and M-18s? I am adept at crushing grenadiers with them.

The models aren't as large. The M18 is good but the crom doesn't have that nicely shaped model that plows down the infantry that try to dive away.

It is fast though. crushing is the most effective way for M-10s to counter Infantry.

The problem is probly related to Shock Guards that are not receiving damage from StuH (and other explosions sometime). Its a bug/imbalance, the devs are aware and the correction is confirmed for next patch.

This happened to me when playing vs Itaperuna, I posted the replay on bug section.