Red army flame tanks?

Quotecoaxial is a good idea actually

2 PE schreck shots = down

^^versus t34? no, not even if they both pen ;)

IIRC t34 was the only soviet tank to be fitted with a flame weapon anyone confirm/deny this?

I think T-34/85 also.

It may of been the only one in Action, but the Soviet Union made lots of tank models with flamers.

Then it would be historical accurate but it would kinda fuck up the balance because the only thing the soviets don't need are flamethrower tanks!

As far as I have read there were T-34 with Flamers, T-34/85 with flamers, KV-1 with flamers (but with smaller 45mm gun), all of these were deployed on the battlefield at one point or another.They tried fitting flamers on BT-7s, and T-26 did have flamers, but since they aren't in game we won't discuss those last 2.

walki1 wrote:
Then it would be historical accurate but it would kinda fuck up the balance because the only thing the soviets don't need are flamethrower tanks!

+1

pariah wrote:

QuoteI don't usually like upgrading Engineer (or Pioneer) Flamethrowers, because the units are weak and only have a few squad members. I've got better things to spend 50 Munitions on.

+1

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The  Crocodile is a decent tank for killing infantry and buildings, but it  could certainly use some buffs, and maybe a Fuel cost reduction. It  makes more sense to me for the standard Sherman to cost more Fuel.

-1  :( A special should cost less for fuel than a standard assembly line Tank? A vehicle with a muni payload of 100-150 Ls of petrol too!  :D

Yes. A standard Sherman is good for general killing, so it should be dearer than a specialized anti-infantry and anti-armor tank. Although it's dearer than the Crocodile variant by 100 Manpower (i think), the Crocodile really should cost less Fuel, and maybe more Manpower. But that's just my opinion.

The problem is that the Sherman is really good at killing infantry already, but can kite and do it at long range rather than enter optimum shrek range like the croc must. This is the main reason I use the Sherman 105 over the croc. It's also very effective against bunkers which will take crocs an age to bring down.

I think the idea of the croc costing loads of fuel is if you have a mostly infantry force but are having trouble breaking a grenspam. You don't have much MP to spare because you are so heavily focused on infantry but have loads of fuel spare. So you supposedly tech to these. Flames are better against elite armour remember.

@GLD:
+1 mate. I have long believed every Faction should have one or two units available for a higher FP costs relative to MP costs. I have never been able to express the reasoniing as cogently as you have.

GodlikeDennis wrote:
Flames are better against elite armour remember.

...So how do you tell what armor any given infantry unit has? ???

Through just knowledge of the game or being able to use corsix. Ask me any unit in the game and I'll tell you its armour type. Brits and PE generally have soldier armour. Units that can take several sniper shots (KCH/Lts) have heroic armour. Rangers, most vet2/3 axis infantry, guards etc. have elite armour. Airborne have airborne, snipers have sniper armour duh... The rest usually have infantry armour.

Infantry armour is the basic armour type, with no modifiers generally. Soldier armour takes much less damage from enemy bullets, especially BARs and other special weapons. Elite armour takes less damage and is harder to hit than infantry armour. It takes more damage from flames and snipers cannot miss it, even while retreating. Heroic is like elite armour but takes much less damage from snipers. Airborne is like soldier, but additionally is harder to hit while the unit is moving.

Elite armour is one of the most important concepts in the Wehr/US matchup. Grenspam is so powerful because grens change their armour from infantry to elite at vet 2. This makes them take 25% less damage and are 25% harder to hit. Obviously this is a huge benefit. Against vetted grenspam, you have to use artillery, flamers, snipers and tanks to do real damage because riflemen are just too weak against the strong armour.

I don't have Corsix. It should be stated somewhere in the game and/or manual. Otherwise how the fuck are you supposed to figure this stuff out?

Mostly because the actual mechanics aren't usually that important to the average player. For instance, while I know that MP44s do full damage against all armour types because they have a flat 1 modifier for their damage against all of them, the average player will just think to themselves those stormies with MP44s are pretty good against rangers. Snipers are especially vulnerable to bikes and SMGs because of their armour type but most people will instinctively know this anyway.

GodlikeDennis wrote:
Mostly because the actual mechanics aren't usually that important to the average player. For instance, while I know that MP44s do full damage against all armour types because they have a flat 1 modifier for their damage against all of them, the average player will just think to themselves those stormies with MP44s are pretty good against rangers. Snipers are especially vulnerable to bikes and SMGs because of their armour type but most people will instinctively know this anyway.

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GodlikeDennis wrote:
grens change their armour from infantry to elite at vet 2.

riflemen are just too weak against the strong armour.

also remember dont let rifle squads get to vet 2 or higher, if their vet3 then nothing, not even KCH or storms will stop them

it changes the whole complexion of the game you will have to tech, or you will be stuck usually on the losing end of infantry battles

Last edited July 4, 2011 at 9:07 AM by RedGuard