Polish soldiers in Soviet Army 1944-1945. Should they be added to Russians in EF

The Polish First Army (Polish: Pierwsza Armia Wojska Polskiego, 1 AWP for short) was a Polish Army unit formed in the Soviet Union in 1944, from the previously existing Polish I Corps as part of the People's Army of Poland (LWP).



The Polish Second Army (Polish: Druga Armia Wojska Polskiego, 2. AWP for short) was a Polish Army unit formed in the Soviet Union in 1944 as part of the People's Army of Poland. The organization begun in August under the command of generals Karol Świerczewski and Stanislav Poplavsky, and the formation under command of general Świerczewski entered active duty in January 1945. The Second Army suffered heavy losses at the Battle of Bautzen during April 22-26, 1945. Subsequently, the Second Army was part of the final great Soviet offensive of World War II in Europe, the drive on Prague. In August 1945 most of the formation was used to create the Poznań Military District.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Army_(Poland)
                                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Army_(Poland)

Last edited June 2, 2011 at 9:03 AM by Aleo0op

http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=5934.0

Read the aswers.

i am not talkin about making a new faction but they ''can'' be  used instead of The Naval infantry  ??? :) in the release of new patch or as a reward unit i dunno

Last edited June 2, 2011 at 10:21 AM by Aleo0op

Well i dont know who does the partasians represent but not polish at all .... but if they do there missin one little thing (i am not concernd about it) the polish language  :P :)

Everyone would like to see their nation in the game but you can understand that Devs has something called PRIORITIES, which cosist:

- Preparing all stuff for Ostheer faction
- Balance the Russian faction

These 2 things to do at the same time.

I think you can draw your conclusions...all polish units (like other nation extra-CoH) to do (animation, design and voices) are a waste of time ATM.

If u wanna know i am irish :P and i know that devs have more feking important than makin new faction and i never thought of making new faction but as a reward unit or doctrine unit  :)

I have to ask even if its kind of Off topic but, if you are irish. Why the hell do you wanna see a polish unit so bad? XD

i want to see them so badly cause they were fighting in eastern europe in world war 2 aswell along the with the russians  :)

Honestly I don't care nothing from which country you come from...but don't come here to cry that you want see Polish troops in RA.
I'm sure that it's not in the priorities of Devs.
There's nothing to discuss.

i never came here to cry and ''want to see'' but give the idea that they can be added :) its for devs to decide not for me and i know that its hard beacuse my uncle is doing that kind of stuff :P and i know devs have more important stuff to do but i just came here and say what i think there is no need to give out man

I think it's too late for that, unless you can think about a new unit, with a high coolness factor that we must add it as reward unit for something ;D.

what do you mean for something ???

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I came up with 2 ideas :)

Idea number 1:
a polish six man squad (instead of naval inf. from propaganda strategy) one officer and 5 men. at the start armed
with: officer with Pistol Tokarev TT and 5 men armed with Mosin Nagats can be upgraded for 70 munition with: 2 PPSh-41 Sub-Machinegun
and 3 SVT-40 and and officer would get PPS-43 Sub-Machinegun

they would cost 385 Manpower to call in and 35 manpower to reinforce cost :2 CP same as naval inf.
they would have ability to throw anti-infantry grenades

Idea number 2: a polish 3 man squad (instead of naval inf in propagand startegy or mechanics in breakthrough startegy)
wich starts armed with 2 Mosin Nagats and 1 PPSh-41 Sub-machinegun and could be upgraded For 50 munitions
with: 2 SVT-40 and dp-28


they would cost 295 Manpower and reinforce for 25 manpower
once vet 1 would be able to throw invisibility while moving
once vet 2 would be unsupressable
once vet 3 gains additional man to the group with mosin-nagat after upgrade SVT-40
for breaking through enemy defneses and going deep into enemy territory
costs 1CP or 2CP

i might still come up with more ideas :) :D

Last edited June 2, 2011 at 6:30 PM by Aleo0op

1. Why should Polish soldiers differ in any way to Strelky (what makes them different to a common Soviet soldier)?
2. Why should Poland have any officers if most of them were killed by Stalin/send to Siberia/went west to work with their true allies?

Last edited June 2, 2011 at 7:25 PM by Paciat

in fact ''most'' of the polish officers were killed in smolensk but still poles in 1944 were 10% of russian army and i think they deserve to be in this mod but is not up to me to decide but to devs if they will have time to do it i cant force them or anything

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and by the way in 1944 polish 2 armies fought alongside with russians .
Polsih first army
Active            July 1944 - August 1945
Engagements   
Dęblin 1944
Puławy 1944
Warszawa 1944-45
Kolberg 1945
Berlin 1945
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_First_Army

Polish Second Army
Active            August 1944-August 1945

Engagements
Bautzen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Second_Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Armed_Forces_in_the_East
Read this to prove youre wrong :) :D

Last edited June 2, 2011 at 7:57 PM by Aleo0op

Guess I'm gonna have to add even more units to that bloody list i made. :( Anyway, the reason we will not add the Polish in any way shape or form is the following

1) Most of the community really doesn't care what country the soldiers they are using come from. It says Soviet Union, THAT IS ALL.
2) The Polish do in fact have a representative in the Soviet army, If you look closely on the back of the SU-76 doctrinal unit, you would notice a small eagle with a few numbers written above it, members of a Soviet-Polish tank crew.
3) The Devs cannot appease everyone and listing to one guys request while ignoring millions of other ones is quite biased so they don't really listen to too many people unless the idea is so good, it blows the roof off. Yours looks quite.....shall i say boring, we have seen tons of such ideas on the forum and it will not happen. Plus If i may add:

                BALANCE>HISTORICAL FACT

So no one here really cares much about your lovely numbers, dates and historical facts.

Man are you for serious like i just sherd my idea no fekin need to give out man  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Aleo0op wrote:
Man are you for serious like i just sherd my idea no fekin need to give out man  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

I don't even think I understand most of what you just wrote bro.

Anyway, I just don't like such posts, suggesting units based mainly on nationality is just plain stupid.

Good summary of it all Neosdark!

well pls i know i might be the only person for this but i think that naval infantry dont fit in right to soviets so maybe instead of them


3 man squad (instead of naval inf in propagand startegy )
wich starts armed with 2 Mosin Nagats and 1 PPSh-41 Sub-machinegun and could be upgraded For 75 munitions
with: 2 SVT-40 and dp-28

they would be for breaking through enemy lines
would be able to throw anti-inf grenades
once vet 2 unsupressable
once vet 3 additional member of the squad with mosin-nagat
if squad is upgraded then with SVT-40 ???

one of the squad members can be a woman ???
Would cost 385 manpower 30 reinforce and 2CP ????

And pls do not fukin give out ye

Aleo0op wrote:
And pls do not fukin give out ye

Are you trying to be cool or something... nigga :-\?

Anyway anyone can come up with random squad suggestions. Devs arent dumb. And one thing that propaganda strategy dosnt need is allies from capitalist countries.

no i am not tryin to be cool and do you have to look at everything negative ??? ya youre right devs arent dumb but you are  :P :D jk and it said to come up with ideas so here u have my one if u dont want people to come up with how you call them ''stupid'' ideas close the forum :)

I dont really see the point. Because your polish suggestion. Well, They aint special in anyway. You have to think that each unit in COH has to be unique in its own way. Just like you and me : D <3

Lets go through it. Your Polish red army soldiers are like ordinary strelkys? Only because they are polish doesent mean they run around in polish uniforms or something. No, they wear ordinary soviet uniforms. ( which imo is really boring.) The naval infantry however run arounds in black seamans uniforms rocking the party out of germans! XD They are both unique in there performance (Dp28 and PTRS rifles together. No other units have this.) And apperance because nobody except the naval infantry did wear those uniforms in the war.

Your idea is great. Sure, but not for EF. They sound more like a Men of war unit . Especially when one of COH:EF rules is NO COUNTRY NAMES. We have foreign support for the ostheer. And thats enough. Because in the end. People are going to want the sniper to be called, TEXAS SNIPER or the sappers to be called SCOTTISH SAPPERS.

Many of these units you can hear on there voice which country they are from. And thats enough.
(btw off topic, doesent the british rifleman have polish flags on their helmets? Indicating they are from a polish unit?)

To put it in short. Your suggestion already exist almost. The only thing missing is the name Polish. And we will never, how much we ever want. Get that kind of name on the units ;/

However, you can always give more suggestions on units. Keep it upp ^^ However, you can say here on the forum. They are polish , but they will be called red army voulenteers or something . But. You will have to be ready that many people are going to critize your suggestions (been there myself.) because many of the units people suggest doesnt fill anything to the game. COH and COH:ef arent exactly game focus on the historic realism.

I would rather describe them like.. Dawn of war with a WW2 theme? XD

Have a good day !

Sommarkatze wrote:
I dont really see the point. Because your polish suggestion. Well, They aint special in anyway. You have to think that each unit in COH has to be unique in its own way. Just like you and me : D <3

Lets go through it. Your Polish red army soldiers are like ordinary strelkys? Only because they are polish doesent mean they run around in polish uniforms or something. No, they wear ordinary soviet uniforms. ( which imo is really boring.) The naval infantry however run arounds in black seamans uniforms rocking the party out of germans! XD They are both unique in there performance (Dp28 and PTRS rifles together. No other units have this.) And apperance because nobody except the naval infantry did wear those uniforms in the war.

Your idea is great. Sure, but not for EF. They sound more like a Men of war unit . Especially when one of COH:EF rules is NO COUNTRY NAMES. We have foreign support for the ostheer. And thats enough. Because in the end. People are going to want the sniper to be called, TEXAS SNIPER or the sappers to be called SCOTTISH SAPPERS.

Many of these units you can hear on there voice which country they are from. And thats enough.
(btw off topic, doesent the british rifleman have polish flags on their helmets? Indicating they are from a polish unit?)

To put it in short. Your suggestion already exist almost. The only thing missing is the name Polish. And we will never, how much we ever want. Get that kind of name on the units ;/

However, you can always give more suggestions on units. Keep it upp ^^ However, you can say here on the forum. They are polish , but they will be called red army voulenteers or something . But. You will have to be ready that many people are going to critize your suggestions (been there myself.) because many of the units people suggest doesnt fill anything to the game. COH and COH:ef arent exactly game focus on the historic realism.

I would rather describe them like.. Dawn of war with a WW2 theme? XD

Have a good day !

Great words..but I don't think that will affect. :P :P

No, Sadly I dont think so either XD But thanks however :D

Sommarkatze i took your words i know what youre on about not like others and polish actually had their own uniforms :P in red army :P

They did? A picture or source on that would be lovely ;D ( big uniformfetich here!)
And please please my dear internet friend. Use Dots in your words. I had to read your sentence 3 times to really understand it all XD

here you are :)

Long-term forum users know that I'm from Poland, and this how I see this topic:

1. EF adds two armies: Soviets and Ostheer. No place for Polish army here.
2. LWP ( Polish People's Army) was based on Soviet Guard Divisons, so it means they had moar equipment and tanks. But they still used 100% of soviet weapon
3. They fought alongside Red Army, under STAVKA's command.
4. Most of their officers were communists or russian officers assigned by Stalin.
5. I don't understand this quite well, but where's the point of arguing here? I mean devs clearly stated that there won't be any country-named units either in Ostheer or in SU.

Summary: if you want to play as Polish People's Army, turn off your speaker and imagine they speak polish. And that's all.

6. If you w

ahaha okej my dots caused problem to many people i know aswell. :P
and if i knew how, i would mod this game :P

TBFH, I doubt the Poles would be as well equipped as a Guards division. The (in some cases not so) infamous 13th Guards Rifle Division fought through Stalingrad and was one of the few units to gain considerable ground despite atrocious losses (estimates are 198-250 survivors in the entire division at the battle's closing). Most Guardsmen (I have no idea what 'Guards' is in Russian or what the plural would be) were very well trained by even western standards and were armed with exceptional amounts of SVT-40s, improved iterations of the TT-33 which was more commonly issued then in other units, pre-1941 M1938 Mosin-Nagant rifles (higher manufacturing quality due to lack of cost cutting production measures) or the M1936/41 'Carbine' Mosin-Nagant with permanently affixed bayonet--along with plenty of DP-28s, PPsHs in all forms, and many of the few lend leased western anti tank weapon such as the M9A1 bazooka and as many PTRS-41s as the unit could handle--when, at any point, would a Polish unit, which was regarded as grossly inferior to a Soviet unit (by the Soviets, ofc) be as well-equipped? Even moderately experienced Strelok divisions such as the 144th Infantry were just largely Mosin-Nagant based, and lacked the training, leadership, and synergy (13th Guards Rifle worked very closely with the 12th Guards Tank(ovy) Division throughout the war) of even the worst of the Guards.

Case and point: Dont make oddball connections! Polish units arent needed, theyve been suggested and disregarded 1000 times over. Its not YOU specifically, but the topic has been suggested too much; its flogging a dead horse.  8)

let this thread diiiieeeee already  ::) :P

Sir! Requesting a lock! Quickly its gone off topic!

cephalos wrote:


here you are :)

Long-term forum users know that I'm from Poland, and this how I see this topic:

1. EF adds two armies: Soviets and Ostheer. No place for Polish army here.
2. LWP ( Polish People's Army) was based on Soviet Guard Divisons, so it means they had moar equipment and tanks. But they still used 100% of soviet weapon
3. They fought alongside Red Army, under STAVKA's command.
4. Most of their officers were communists or russian officers assigned by Stalin.
5. I don't understand this quite well, but where's the point of arguing here? I mean devs clearly stated that there won't be any country-named units either in Ostheer or in SU.

Summary: if you want to play as Polish People's Army, turn off your speaker and imagine they speak polish. And that's all.

6. If you w

cephalos wrote:


here you are :)

Long-term forum users know that I'm from Poland, and this how I see this topic:

1. EF adds two armies: Soviets and Ostheer. No place for Polish army here.
2. LWP ( Polish People's Army) was based on Soviet Guard Divisons, so it means they had moar equipment and tanks. But they still used 100% of soviet weapon
3. They fought alongside Red Army, under STAVKA's command.
4. Most of their officers were communists or russian officers assigned by Stalin.
5. I don't understand this quite well, but where's the point of arguing here? I mean devs clearly stated that there won't be any country-named units either in Ostheer or in SU.

Summary: if you want to play as Polish People's Army, turn off your speaker and imagine they speak polish. And that's all.

6. If you w

cephalos wrote:


here you are :)

Long-term forum users know that I'm from Poland, and this how I see this topic:

1. EF adds two armies: Soviets and Ostheer. No place for Polish army here.
2. LWP ( Polish People's Army) was based on Soviet Guard Divisons, so it means they had moar equipment and tanks. But they still used 100% of soviet weapon
3. They fought alongside Red Army, under STAVKA's command.
4. Most of their officers were communists or russian officers assigned by Stalin.
5. I don't understand this quite well, but where's the point of arguing here? I mean devs clearly stated that there won't be any country-named units either in Ostheer or in SU.

Summary: if you want to play as Polish People's Army, turn off your speaker and imagine they speak polish. And that's all.

6. If you w

cephalos wrote:


here you are :)

Long-term forum users know that I'm from Poland, and this how I see this topic:

1. EF adds two armies: Soviets and Ostheer. No place for Polish army here.
2. LWP ( Polish People's Army) was based on Soviet Guard Divisons, so it means they had moar equipment and tanks. But they still used 100% of soviet weapon
3. They fought alongside Red Army, under STAVKA's command.
4. Most of their officers were communists or russian officers assigned by Stalin.
5. I don't understand this quite well, but where's the point of arguing here? I mean devs clearly stated that there won't be any country-named units either in Ostheer or in SU.

Summary: if you want to play as Polish People's Army, turn off your speaker and imagine they speak polish. And that's all.

6. If you w

Its bugged!!!