[[IP address redacted]] ZIS 3

I see 2 important things to be balanced with this new "defensive" unit:




1. 1
The fire range:

Is incredibly high O.O with this only 280/15 cost in 1v1 machs you can detroy a enemy base only with 1 squad looking and this weapon shooting from the midde of the map, i think this unit is little overpowered at this point.


• 2
Acuracy vs inf, other AT guns and snipers:

According to the new coh vanila pach, all AT guns have 0.1 and 0.2 acuracy vs infantry, AT guns and snipers, including the brit 17 punder gun. this AT gun have incredible acuracy vs inf, other AT guns and snipers. little unfair please fix this to be fair with the new 2.602 changes from coh vanila armies.

Also other thing is the cost, lets see the balance: Wer pak cost: 290 zis 3 280/15 without base buildings Axi flak 88 cost: 400/75 Zis 3 280/15 mmmmmmmmmmmhmmmhmmh i think the cost is isnt balanced because the price is like Brit 17 punder but the Brit 17 punder price is because Brit army doesnt have another AT gun, Brit players need a cheap price to AT guns because they cant move it. But USSR have another AT gun is not fainaly fair with the other armies.

Last edited May 28, 2011 at 6:09 AM by Hamasei

RedGuard wrote:
the teams discussed this in the dev balance forums, we haven't found any balance issues here as of yet.

you wont see the zis3 used in top tier competitive matches, this should speak volumes to the community about its effectiveness.

The only place I see this emplacement really being of any use is guarding a bridge

Last edited May 28, 2011 at 7:53 AM by Hamasei

Hamasei wrote:

RedGuard wrote:
the teams discussed this in the dev balance forums, we haven't found any balance issues here as of yet.

you wont see the zis3 used in top tier competitive matches, this should speak volumes to the community about its effectiveness.

The only place I see this emplacement really being of any use is guarding a bridge

Sorri but i only want good balance. IF you only see this unit in a bridge is your problem, is an defensive unit and like any other defensive units can be buildable in all map. is a Good defensive weapon vs long range weapons like nashroom but Balance is needeed in all units of the game to convert this mod in a competitive mod as fair as posible.

You are balancer and you dont want to balance all units better as posible? i think is very easy to balance this unit:

Low the range to be like the brit 17 punder or something like that.

Set the Acuracy stats like other AT guns.

The only " dificult " discussion in my opinion is the cost of the unit.

walki1 wrote:
It's unbalanced... It has a greater range than a 17 pounder... it costs less than a 17 pounder and it's smaller than a 17 pounder...

I mean for 280/15 you can build a bofors as a brits. I would at least recommend to set the fuel cost to 25 and lower the range.

GodlikeDennis wrote:
it's not an AT gun (its) like a flak/Pak

Last edited May 28, 2011 at 1:59 PM by RedGuard

RedGuard wrote:
it should get a price increase, and in the meantime we're awaiting more feedback for a stat tweak if its needed

GodlikeDennis wrote:
it's not an AT gun (its) like a flak/Pak

+1 dennis
and that is the key point to understanding the zis3, folks

Last edited May 29, 2011 at 12:23 AM by Yauz

TheDzierzanPL wrote:
Just change cost and range, and everything will be fine.

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Red_Stinger wrote:
The CP cost is too high, and maybe the resource cost too. Its fragile, and cost a lot!

Rizz wrote:

Red_Stinger wrote:
The CP cost is too high, and maybe the resource cost too. Its fragile, and cost a lot!

It goes Toe to Toe in a 1v1 with a Panther. In high-end matches the Panther would probably win due to micromanagement, but then again a Panther cost twice of what a ZiS-3 costs.

Last edited May 29, 2011 at 6:16 PM by Yauz

Red_Stinger wrote:

Rizz wrote:

Red_Stinger wrote:
The CP cost is too high, and maybe the resource cost too. Its fragile, and cost a lot!

It goes Toe to Toe in a 1v1 with a Panther. In high-end matches the Panther would probably win due to micromanagement, but then again a Panther cost twice of what a ZiS-3 costs.

If it can take on a panther, I wonder what does mean "crappy AT gun". As for myself, ZIS-3 fired on a Stug repeatedly and didnt penetrated the armour.

Red_Stinger wrote:
I'm aware that stug armor is somewhat heavy; the stug did shoot back, as its a vehicle, and can move. Dont see the point of your comment  ??? ???

Paciat wrote:
Stug didnt fire becouse it was out of range and couldnt fire.

Hamasei wrote:

RedGuard wrote:
it should get a price increase, and in the meantime we're awaiting more feedback for a stat tweak if its needed

GodlikeDennis wrote:
it's not an AT gun (its) like a flak/Pak

+1 dennis
and that is the key point to understanding the zis3, folks

yes, is the key but with 2.602 the key doenst open the same way:

    88mm Flak 36

    Accuracy vs Infantry reduced from 0.5x to 0.15x
    Accuracy vs Snipers reduced from 0.25x to 0.05x
    Targeting priority vs Snipers reduced from 10 to 5

BALANCE PLEASE!