A.I. Too Hard for Me

I love what has been done with the Eastern Front mod. I love the additions, the artwork, the maps, the time put into it... everything. Well, almost everything. :)

I'm a 'casual' player, which means that, yes, I'm not very good in the first place and I'm not really looking to improve my skills all that much. I like to sit back enjoy a game, whether I'm winning or losing. However, I cannot seem to defeat the new A.I. of Eastern Front and it's so aggressive that I can't enjoy the game like I did in vCoH. It's like Starcraft and Zerg Rushing all over again. :-[ I'd like to keep the additions of the EFmod, but also just keep the standard vCoH A.I., is there a way to do that? (There probably isn't, but it doesn't hurt to ask, right?)

Thanks peeps. (Let the bashing begin!!!  ;) )

If there is a way I'm not aware. With that being said I think you're out of luck on the matter.

Perhaps the only thing you can do is improve your gameplay, I'd be glad to help we could start with a replay. Do you have a replay you could share with me? I'll offer advice  :)

and dont be so hard on yourself!

Last edited May 1, 2011 at 7:31 AM by REDcommissar

Play on easy.

Paciat wrote:
Play on easy.

It seems like hes tried that ??? :(

Could you upload a full lenght game record? Actually it's not really difficult to beat the ai if you keep few principles in mind.

QuoteI like to sit back enjoy a game, whether I'm winning or losing

Why don't you play online? It's much more fun and varied.

Last edited May 1, 2011 at 11:25 AM by snailcommando

snailcommando wrote:Why don't you play online? It's much more fun and varied.

Because online players play like the new A.I., employing the aforementioned Zerg Rush tactics. That's not fun for me and that was one of the reasons I enjoyed CoH. I could play at my own pace and the A.I.'s ladder of difficulty had all the rungs I needed: V. Easy was V. Easy, Easy was Easy, Normal was a challenge, etc. In EFmod it doesn't feel like that.

Anyway, thanks for the replies, peeps. I appreciate you taking the time and reading this. If anyone comes across a way to do what I want, then feel free to PM me.

Well, my offer still holds. Just upload a replay to analyze your playstyle against the ai. We can help you this way far better.

In my humble opinion it's kinda pointless to say stuff like get snipers, few conscripts, tank hunters... and so on to rush 'em dead. Of course there options how to beat the ai smoothly. I guess, you won't be satisfied because it's not really a challenge to follow a guideline. You will be more delighted if you beat the ai with few tipps rather than with a guideline wouldn't you?

Last edited May 1, 2011 at 9:18 PM by snailcommando

^^agreed! we're here to help you, theres plenty of able bodied forumers ready to lay down their lives for your gaming enjoyment :P ;D

Play with friendly AI on harder levels of difficulty against easy enemies.

Green wrote:
Play with friendly AI on harder levels of difficulty against easy enemies.

That's what I do! LoL Problem is: we both suck! My group and I have just never been 'hardcore' players. We just can't (or I guess DON'T would be more accurate) play at the quick pace that has been set by the current generation of RTS players and A.I.

Appreciate the suggestion, though! :D

He meant play with an allied hard level computer on your team and verse a single easy computer or something. should let you keep up

Nominrath wrote:

Green wrote:
Play with friendly AI on harder levels of difficulty against easy enemies.

That's what I do! LoL Problem is: we both suck! My group and I have just never been 'hardcore' players. We just can't (or I guess DON'T would be more accurate) play at the quick pace that has been set by the current generation of RTS players and A.I.

Appreciate the suggestion, though! :D

Question: Do you use shortcut keys? Do you understand the manpower system (like what affects it)? Do you know what counters are? Do you know what spamming is? Have you tried practicing one on one with an easy AI on a map like beach assault? Are you new to COH? Have you done the tutorial? Do you tech late? Do you turtle or camp? Have you ever tried to rush?

Sorry, I'm not angry, I'm trying to find out what the issue really is. I had a friend that said he sucked so I understand how bad it makes people feel.

Paladin88 wrote:

Question: Do you use shortcut keys? Do you understand the manpower system (like what affects it)? Do you know what counters are? Do you know what spamming is? Have you tried practicing one on one with an easy AI on a map like beach assault? Are you new to COH? Have you done the tutorial? Do you tech late? Do you turtle or camp? Have you ever tried to rush?

Sorry, I'm not angry, I'm trying to find out what the issue really is. I had a friend that said he sucked so I understand how bad it makes people feel.

No problem. Here ya' go: 1.) No, I don't use the shortcut, keys. I know they provide quicker response when you learn them, but I just never learned them. It would help if I did... I learned this in the days of Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness. 2.) What affects the Manpower system? I thought it was more points = faster/larger manpoint quantities per minute (or fuel/munitions). 3.) I do know what spamming is and I hate it. It's why I don't play online. Nothing like having a few dozen engineers/pioneers shoved up one's ass immediately to keep the guy in his base. Hate having it done to me, so I don't do it to others. (a.k.a. Zerg Rushing) For me, that's just not fun. 4.) Yeah, I do ok against the Easy A.I. until the unending armor brigade of StuGs and Pumas rolls in and destroys everything as fast as I can build. 5.) Not new. Been playing for a while now. In fact, against 'vanilla' CoH A.I. I can hold my own against a Normal and if I feel spry and get lucky a Hard. 6.) I have done the tutorial. 7.) I tech whatever I feel I might need ASAP and get to others later in the game. 8.) I do not turtle or camp (except on maps where bottlenecks can be set up). 9.) I don't necessarily 'rush', but I am fairly aggressive. (I don't rush because when I play, I like the game to last longer than 10 minutes.)

Hmm... I'll answer your question on manpower first, manpower is affected in two ways:
1) How many units on the field,
2) How much territory you capture,

The less units you have the higher your manpower and the more territory you have the more manpower. The trick is to find the balance.

OK, even if you hate rushing (I do) you still need to know how to do it, there's a difference between knowing it and not doing it and not being able to do it because you can't. Practice rushing (even if it kills you) because AI's especially eastern front ones will not be easy once they are established. I realised that even experienced players can get rolled if they are not careful against even easy AI! Toy with it, smash it within an inch of its life then retreat and turtle it out.

If you want to be extra cruel vs panzer elite, capture as much points as you can, get a sniper. Snipe off the quad crew and man it with engineers and sit back and watch the fun. Since it can destroy Infantry and (if youre lucky) light vehicles. Give it a go, it won't make you play better but it will make you feel a better player ;D.

If you want a long game, try "the Scheldts" Its a 6 player map and its perfect for people like you, if you're wehr or US barricade the bottom bridge with tank traps and barb wire and leave an MG nest to watch it. Then do the same with the top bridge. Get all your stuff to defend the centre and watch the onslaught! Try out strategies such as defence and offence. e.g. does putting riflemen behind the sandbags or placing AT teams in various patterns. Can Shermans really breakthrough against large amount of AT teams. Once you mastered the Scheldts, try Red ball express 6p, its a whole new kettle of fish, trust me. Keep going until you can hold your own.

Tell me if anything happens in the Scheldts 6p I know it well so if you describe the problem I may be able to find out what's going wrong...  :)

Well the AI is hard that is a fact.

I play COH for a while now and even i get my a$$ kicked by expert, specially whermacht.
on hard and expert they get faster resource and mp so can pump units out much faster.

It is better to play against human players.
And like being said before you need to know the mechanics of the game plus how the factions play.

US,Soviets and PE are more offensive and pressure then the british and the whermacht wich play more defensive but has offenisve companies or doctorines.

Kingzize wrote:
Well the AI is hard that is a fact.

I play COH for a while now and even i get my a$$ kicked by expert, specially whermacht.
on hard and expert they get faster resource and mp so can pump units out much faster.

It is better to play against human players.
And like being said before you need to know the mechanics of the game plus how the factions play.

1)The AI is only hard if you give it time, its real weakness is that it thinks mechanically.

2)Expert computers need to be pressured throughout the entire game, let them get too many points and you'll be a bridge too far!  :)

3)Hell no, especially if you're in my shoes, I keep my skills sharp by using AI, if I played against friends, my skills deteriorate! I remember once when I was vs. a friend, (in beach assault 2p) that I completely sorrounded his base with MG emplacements (yep, the entire corner) built a tank trap near the middle of the base and had an engineer flame it for ten minutes before I realised what i was doing ;D

4) YES, you're correct but the brits are probably more defensive because of the AI rather than doctrines... (WHO SAID CREEPING BARRAGE WAS DEFENSIVE?)