Standardising the "big daddies"

What would you think if I suggested we make all of those "big" tanks a one-off call in. The King tiger is a one off already and so is the Jagdpanther but what if the pershing and the ISU-152 were also made to be a one off as well.

Or perhaps some may argue the opposite. Would it perhaps be better to take off those very limitations on those tanks?

What do you think?

Their call in limit or lack of is there for balance reasons. Some would like to see them changed But it wont be due to balance. I think its fine the way it is  :)

Thanks, I appreciate the quick reply...

Yes, Pershings are easily ripped apart by Tigers, KTs, even groups of Panthers. Their gun is extremely powerful but if you compare it to the other "Big Daddies" it lacks survivability, thus why you can call in new ones upon losing it.

The Pershing lacks survivability because it's backed up by other abilities of the doctrine.

And no, i disagree with the first post, because as REDcommissar says, it's like that for balance. Plus you can't compare the heavy tanks to the super tanks. Not to mention that the Eastern Front devs aren't going to change the relic armies.

Pershing actually beats a Tiger at long range quite soundly. Not to mention vet 3 pershings can take on KTs with field repairs. Awesome tanks, and fun to use because of their speed.

As to the topic, the limits are there for a reason. Heavy tanks are 1 at a time and super heavy are called in once only. This is fine.

GodlikeDennis wrote:
Pershing actually beats a Tiger at long range quite soundly. Not to mention vet 3 pershings can take on KTs with field repairs. Awesome tanks, and fun to use because of their speed.

As to the topic, the limits are there for a reason. Heavy tanks are 1 at a time and super heavy are called in once only. This is fine.

once again +1

Also, we're not making vanila balance adjustments without a very particular well thought out idea from COH experts

And by "experts" you mean the people in charge of balancing the Brits, or people who actually know what they are talking about? ;)

pariah wrote:
And by "experts" you mean the people in charge of balancing the Brits, or people who actually know what they are talking about? ;)

People in charge of discussing CoH Beta changes. That's all XD.

GodlikeDennis wrote:
Pershing actually beats a Tiger at long range quite soundly. Not to mention vet 3 pershings can take on KTs with field repairs. Awesome tanks, and fun to use because of their speed.

Yep, just dont forget to upgun it. Shermans gun upgrade works on Pershing too. It more then doubles its penetration.

Paciat wrote:
Shermans gun upgrade works on Pershing too. It more then doubles its penetration.

...How long has it been like that? Man, i BADLY want to test this now!

Well, not doubling but it does make it far more likely to penetrate tiger/panther. It's been like that since 2.601. It also makes it for some reason stupidly better vs infantry. I've seen an instance where it insta-gibed 5 pe grens and I couldn't believe it. my reaction was to check if there was a mine that was set off, but it wasn't. It was just the gun

Zerstörer wrote:
Well, not doubling but it does make it far more likely to penetrate tiger/panther. It's been like that since 2.601. It also makes it for some reason stupidly better vs infantry. I've seen an instance where it insta-gibed 5 pe grens and I couldn't believe it. my reaction was to check if there was a mine that was set off, but it wasn't. It was just the gun

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Just checked Corsix and its AoE is similar to Tigers before the upgrade and similar to a Sherman (~40% lower) after it.

2.601? That's the patch required to unlock the Soviets, isn't it? That's cool, so i don't have access to it anyway. The new Pershing sounds really overpowered to me...

Paciat wrote:

Zerstörer wrote:
Well, not doubling but it does make it far more likely to penetrate tiger/panther. It's been like that since 2.601. It also makes it for some reason stupidly better vs infantry. I've seen an instance where it insta-gibed 5 pe grens and I couldn't believe it. my reaction was to check if there was a mine that was set off, but it wasn't. It was just the gun

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Just checked Corsix and its AoE is similar to Tigers before the upgrade and similar to a Sherman (~40% lower) after it.

I know, which is why I couldn't believe my eyes....it definitely makes it better at killing infantry, I guarantee you

pariah wrote:
2.601? That's the patch required to unlock the Soviets, isn't it? That's cool, so i don't have access to it anyway. The new Pershing sounds really overpowered to me...

2.601 of the retail game is the current vCoH patch at the moment. The beta playtest will result in the 2.7 patch being released soon. So the upgun for the pershing is already ingame.

I honestly can't believe some of you don't know that. No wonder you're not that impressed with the pershing's performance.

I always purchase the Sherman upgrade before even producing any shermans, it does quite a bit.

GodlikeDennis wrote:
No wonder you're not that impressed with the pershing's performance.

we're still used to ninja paks  :P

GodlikeDennis wrote:

pariah wrote:
2.601? That's the patch required to unlock the Soviets, isn't it? That's cool, so i don't have access to it anyway. The new Pershing sounds really overpowered to me...

2.601 of the retail game is the current vCoH patch at the moment. The beta playtest will result in the 2.7 patch being released soon. So the upgun for the pershing is already ingame.

I honestly can't believe some of you don't know that. No wonder you're not that impressed with the pershing's performance.

No, it's not, because i don't have that patch. :P

O.O

Then what patch DO you have?

I'm pretty sure 99% of us have the 2.601

I think the patch is displayed at the bottom of the main menu, isn't it? If so, then i think it was a 1 with some 5s or something last time i checked.

It should be 2.601, I know I had the painful process of patching the entire day after purchasing a box copy off of Amazon...

How are you playing EF?

Without the Soviets. :D

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