[1.31] GodlikeDennis (Blitz) vs Commissar (Prop)

A pretty good game against RedCommissar, automatch conditions on langres. He put some serious pressure on with those blobs and dealt some serious damage at some points, especially with his SU-85. I should've gone assault nades earlier or used mines to counter his blobs and use my massive pile of munitions but oh well...

My pressure on the VPs was much greater than his though and I won through that.

Awesome game just watched the replay myself.

In hindsight I think the ~600 muni I was floating just about the whole game (lool) could have really been put to better use. thats a lotta mines

also a painful missed opportunity, very early missed an easy flank on that MG at middle. mid game was were my map control slowly started slipping away and I never regained true dominance

lol @ tiger bouncing shot off su-85 ;D

all in all you learn a lot from replays and i definately could of used another strelky squad, and 600 muni worth of mines

hats off to dennis GG! :)

Nice.
I wouldnt say SU is OP, it destroyed that Tiger while staing out of 88s range... and then it died to 3 Shreck shots. Also I cant remember but Im allmost sure that SU still has Hetzer heavy frontal armor (it will be changed). Finally Tiger has lower penetration and range than the Panther.

I would say the SU-85 is far too good for it's cost and low teching time/cost. It's easily the best TD in the game. The SU-85 is being adjusted though so there's no need to discuss it here.

Great Job guys,i was waiting for a good replay..now i will watch it..

SU85 is somewhat op, but in the replay the damn thing only got hit once while it was pounding the outranged  P4 and the Tiger that were moving back and vaporised in split seconds by the shrecks...to be fair tigers shots will even deflect off a sherman some times...

The early soviet infantry blob was quite a disturbing sight and you would have done alot better if you spit it up and flanked.

The un-vetted MP40 volks dealing so much damage on vetted Strelky infantry was quite a sight as well...

Surprising suppression from the halftrack.  I personally avoid that thing since it costs fuel, hence delaying infantry vet, but perhaps suppression is more important against those Soviet blobs than vet. 

Really seems vet is a lot less useful against Soviets because of the 75 - 80% thing, and the fact that MP40 volks who don't benefit much from vet seem to do a lot better against Soviet infantry than vetted grenadiers.

Need MOAR blobz!  ;D

Yeah not getting vet was a big advantage actually, but if he had kept that med bunker up im a sucker for vetted grens :)

and yeah a couple times I thought i was going to roll right over those mp40 volks with CS and stelky and they were like nope! dont think so  :(

while su85 is very very good at what it does, that first tiger shot bouncing was a bit of a fluke. what was that close range? medium at best
Cant wait for the new patch

If the SU in the next patch isn't good...blame Dennis, he's supposed to test it  ;D

Zerstörer wrote:
If the SU in the next patch isn't good...blame Dennis, he's supposed to test it  ;D

LMAO... you just earned a cookie ;D.

Oreo cookies FTW  ;D

So Dennis does kind of belong to the dev team?

Dennis has the biggest knowledge of all EF fans, I guess. He knew all those strange relations between weapons and armour types, and he's also very good and smart player.
He must be in BetaTesting team.

Dennis, Chancellor, Paciat, Snug and SavageWorld (Although this last one has submitted zero balance posts) are our current beta testers.

Has Paciat ever posted a replay though (do correct me if Im wrong I looked briefly through and couldnt find him)

MaxiKing6 wrote:
So Dennis does kind of belong to the dev team?

I do not "belong" to anyone. :P

Sigh....a man with no sense of belonging  ::)

Good game for reference... I haven't seen many where the germans pull it out. I still think soviets are op but when someone as good as Dennis plays it shows there is hope. I would love to see some same level match ups and the results. Is it about 65% soviet wins to about 35% axis right now? Assuming an equal match up of course.

jcraven33 wrote:
Good game for reference... I haven't seen many where the germans pull it out. I still think soviets are op but when someone as good as Dennis plays it shows there is hope. I would love to see some same level match ups and the results. Is it about 65% soviet wins to about 35% axis right now? Assuming an equal match up of course.

I respectfully disagree. None of what you just said holds any truth

except that Dennis is an exceptional player  ;)

Last edited April 26, 2011 at 4:01 AM by REDcommissar

REDcommissar wrote:

jcraven33 wrote:
Good game for reference... I haven't seen many where the germans pull it out. I still think soviets are op but when someone as good as Dennis plays it shows there is hope. I would love to see some same level match ups and the results. Is it about 65% soviet wins to about 35% axis right now? Assuming an equal match up of course.

None of what you just said holds any truth what so ever.

except that Dennis is an exceptional player  ;)

No its true.  I've had matches with Dennis both as and against Soviets.  Whoever plays the Soviet usually wins.

they're not OP lol  :D thats a rather dramatic thing to say at the least.

Last edited April 26, 2011 at 4:58 AM by REDcommissar

I disagree only because of the following reason: the replays that i have seen that involve SAME level players (or very close) go to the the soviets at about the percentage I suggested. I may be wrong but I am just going by what I am seeing. I am not very good so my games would not really be good examples, but even at my level I win at a much higher percentage as soviet and lose at a much higher percentage as axis. That's what I have observed. I would love to see more games where equal players have games where Germans kick some ass. I hope I am wrong actually :-)

I wouldn't know, how you define the level of players, but the vast majority of replays I have seen were that of soviet losses.
Now, I'm not saying it totally objective, but that's what people publish (and that's another problem - you can never really see the whole picture). Add to this, that most players are more adapted to play certain faction(s), so they can't be equally good with all of them. This "statistics" thing is really a very slippery edge. So you have to be very careful not to slide down into the abyss of biases (intentional or not). And, as far as I can suppose, there aren't, like, 100500 testers in EF balance testing team. With the count of testers below 50 (at the least) you can't make any justified opinion from such testing, IMO.

I think the problem is the stigma associated with 1.0 soviets

when they were badly balanced and had design flaws

the initial memory seems to have never left players minds, which is ashame because ever since then there has been an un-official crusade to nerf them

Last edited April 26, 2011 at 10:55 PM by REDcommissar

lol ;D!!

http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=773532

blackbishop wrote:
lol ;D!!

http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=773532

Sad, but people are a mob... All people, at all times.
As one humorist wrote about people back in the USSR: "Each and every one of us, taken as a separate person, is a philosopher, an inventor, and walking encyclopedia. But put together we make a country of round-a-clock idiots". And as we all know, every joke is only that in part.

I see what you guys are saying...the game can't be perfectly balanced for all players levels and if the true experts are saying they can have two players play Angoville ten times with one who is an expert as Russians and one who is an expert as Germans and have the outcome turn out reasonably balanced then I will just take the pro's words for it. I am not hear trying to stir up trouble just giving an opinion of an average player and what I have observed (and felt at times while playing). I love the mod and think it is amazing what has between accomplished thus far. Thank you :-) I really enjoy the replays between the expert players as it shows the rest of us many new ways to improve our game.

Sadly enough, I can't name an "expert" soviet player within the balance testing team, who wouldn't have PE as his favorite faction...

blackbishop wrote:
lol ;D!!

http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=773532

This is VERY sad. They virtually only try it once then make a judgement. They're probably the types that don't patch their games because they think the first release is the whole thing.

1)Downloaded EF today, just to see if REALLY anyone plays it. There was one guy in 1v1 auto match. All other auto/customs were dead empty...

Also, how do you uninstall EF?

This is a big problem, particually to those who do not visit the forums or check up information. You should include a link to the forum through the launcher!

I'm going off topic. To Commissar and GodlikeDennis: gg! It probably could of went either way!

Last edited May 16, 2011 at 4:09 AM by Paladin88

Paladin88 wrote:
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This is a big problem, particually to those who do not visit the forums or check up information. You should include a link to the forum through the launcher!

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It's already there afaik :).

It's good to see people over there defending EF. Peoples minds are so easily engrained by first impressions. Guess this is why the Ostheer better be balanced... maybe we'll get a few back in the net ;)

blackbishop wrote:

Paladin88 wrote:
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This is a big problem, particually to those who do not visit the forums or check up information. You should include a link to the forum through the launcher!

[...]

It's already there afaik :).

Oh my God. I found it!

(Its under others tab but I really don't look at it)