strelky question

what are the benefits to upgrading red banner strelky? is it only to buy ppsh or MG? or is there some other hidden benefits?

also buying ppsh for strelky gives them sprint, what does buying MG do/give them? Ive herd it boosts HP is that true and do they receive ability?

and what is airborne armor compared to elite and heroic?

Last edited April 2, 2011 at 9:21 AM by REDcomissar

Strelky actually lose firepower when upgraded to RBS because 1 mosin man uses a flag instead so there's only 6 rifles. Apart from that, it just unlocks the weapon upgrades. Only new red banner squads with weapons will get the weapon upgrade abilities like sprint and hold ground.

After upgrading DP-28s, the squad has a hold ground ability which can toggle on or off. This ability makes them immune to suppression and gives -20% recieved accuracy but completely stops movement.

Airborne armour gives -25% received damage and -25% received accuracy while moving. Elite armour gives -25%dmg -25%acc. Heroic gives -25%dmg -15%dmg and reduces sniper kill criticals and reduces sniper damage. KCH have heroic armour for instance and can take 2-3 sniper hits to die. As you can see, on the move airborne armour is as good as elite armour.

This is only a general rule and only applies to the majority of small arms. Shells, grenades and flamers usually have full effect against the armour types so pios are a good counter to rangers for instance. Snipers cannot ever miss elite armour troops, even on the retreat. Thompsons actually do -25% damage to infantry armour (the basic armour type) but do full damage against elite armour. So vetting your grens is actually detrimental against rangerspam. There are many odd quirks of the armour system.

Last edited April 2, 2011 at 11:32 AM by GodlikeDennis

Strelky are the most powerful infantry unit when upgraded.

QuoteOnly new red banner squads with weapons will get the weapon upgrade abilities like sprint and hold ground

Not true. New Squads come with the flag, but old squads can still upgrade the weapon of choice without the flag.

DP-28 VS PPSH-41

It's a Defensive VS Offensive. PPSHs are great for enemy massacres and harassing cappers, while defensive DP-28s are great for holding some ground until support arrives.

GodlikeDennis wrote:
Only new red banner squads with weapons will get the weapon upgrade abilities like sprint and hold ground.

Yeah.

GodlikeDennis wrote:
Strelky actually lose firepower when upgraded to RBS because 1 mosin man uses a flag instead so there's only 6 rifles.

oh great many good bits of info here,wow is this true? so really only get red banner upgrade if you want the smgs otherwise a vanilla strelky squad does more damage than a red banner one? because of the extra rifle, and no banner carrier?

does not the banner carrier get some pistol or something?

GodlikeDennis wrote:

GodlikeDennis wrote:
Only new red banner squads with weapons will get the weapon upgrade abilities like sprint and hold ground.

Yeah.

Apologies, initially read that "Only New red banner squads will get the weapon upgrade" :P

@REDComissar
No,- The Banner takes the pistol slot, and infantry in-game cant handle two weapons simultaneously.
BTW, I guess, you don't know, there are different "kinds" of mosin-magant rifles in the game: conscripts, tank hunters & ingenery deal 7 dmg, and strelky's - 12 dmg.

yes I was aware of mosin differents, also poor guy with glorious red banner is courageous! no pistols haha

thx guys

hi im also curious about how does guards compare to strelky? is svt 40 any good? is it on par or better than PE g43??

also do Guards have any kind of special armor such as elite?

Is it wise to discontinue production of strelky and build guards late game?

and last but not least are these information tables accurate? I got them from changelogs

Guards Veterancy
Veterancy 1: Becomes unsuppressable
Veterancy 2: -15% received accuracy and +15% bonus accuracy
Veterancy 3: +15% sight range and +15% weapon range and +15% bonus damage
Veterancy Experience Values are 8/16/32

Strelky Veterancy
- Veterancy 1:Armour changed to Airborne
- Veterancy 2:1.2 accuracy modifier
- Veterancy 3:1.2 Damage modifier

Guards have 90hp per man (conscripts have 40) and I believe they have elite armour. They have suppression immunity at vet 1 and grenades which give them far more utility and are an actual threat against tanks. Guard AT nades are actually MUCH deadlier than those that PGs and THs throw.

G43s are awful, offering only a ~6-15% average dpm increase over PE K98s against infantry armour targets, and are actually worse while moving. Especially considering you always only get 2 of them, compared to the complete MP44 package, they are certainly not worth the 50MU unless you want to abuse the hell out slow.

SVTs are actually worse than G43s but don't cost munis and there are 3 times as many. If you take that into account they are much better already. Guard squads are very good up close and while on the move, since SVTs have good accuracy and fire rate up close and better accuracy than all bolt action/semi auto rifles on the move. The guards themselves have loads of health and great armour too so they can survive this charge easily.

For advice whether to build guards or strelky, it really depends what for. Guards have better utility and AT effectiveness so I personally use them. Many people prefer strelky because they put out a lot of damage with their PPShs.

I'm not certain but I believe those veterancy tables are correct. It seems guards have awesome vet on top of their existing awesomeness.

hey thx dennis that helped alot in allowing me understand differences with SVt and g43s

one thing Id wish to be confirmed is guards having elite armor? if they had elite armor then i think is the only way i could justify use and their high cost

almost twice Mp to reinforce guards as to strelky

Is the elite armor granted the Sovs.  the same as the elite armor
WM receive when they vet? The WM elite armor grens recieve reduces their resistance to incendiary attacks? good thing to know ewhen in close combat or when garrisoning buildings

Yes, all elite armour is the same.

It does not reduce the protection against flames but just doesn't provide any. There is no difference in using flamers against vet1 grens (infantry armour) or vet2 grens (elite armour).

No I think Elite armor is more weak against flames, in fact even more so than the weaker Soldier armor.

m2 Flamethrower damage table
Infantry Heroic  1.25
Infantry Elite  1.18                (cohstats.com)
Infantry Soldier  1

flammenwerfer 42 same thing

snipers also take more damage from flame

can anyone tell me what armor Shock Guards have?

Last edited April 5, 2011 at 6:31 PM by REDcomissar