Single player campaigns suggestions

post ur campaign ideas here for the eastren front, it may include ostheer as well

I don't think there's much to say in this field is there? Just... What happened.

- Siege and battle of Sevastopol (loads of artillerie)
- Something around Stalingrad (loads of infantry)
- Summer '43 - Kursk, Orel and Prokhorovka (huuuge loads of tanks)

These are very generic ones, but sure interesting with all the new units.

Maybe a mission on Dom Pavlova where you must resist at German assaults!  8)

Here's the sketchy scenario for soviet campaign:
Battle for Moscow
Siege of Leningrad (Невский пятачок - Neva's spot (most-heavy fighting); Дорога жизни - Road of life (getting supplies to the besieged city under heavy artillery fire through the frozen lake; Breaking the siege)
Battle for Kiev (capitol city of Ukrainian soviet republic)
Siege of Sevastopol
Battle for Stalingrad (soviet army is nearly forced into the Volga river, only a thin stripe remains under its control, supplies and reinforcements come from across the river)
Kursk
Forcing the Dnepr river
Operation Bagration in Belorussia
Battle for Rumania
Siege of Budapest
Siege of Berlin

A Berlin campaign. Missions:

• Crossing of the Oder river


• Seelow Heights


• Battle of Halbe


• Berlin outskirts


• Battle for the Reichstag

Fight your way onto the German capitol city.

Last edited March 21, 2011 at 6:57 AM by MaxiKing6

Does anybody know if the Ostheer are going to get their own campaign?

Concerning "Dom Pavlova" mission,- some mapping:

Last edited March 20, 2011 at 10:49 PM by IJoe

pariah wrote:
Does anybody know if the Ostheer are going to get their own campaign?

Someone of the devs, I don't remember who, said that both Soviets and Ostheer will get their own campaign.

Hey, that's awesome. Thanks Maxi. Looks like Eastern Front will be in development for quite some time now. Not sure if that's a bad or good thing...

pariah wrote:
Hey, that's awesome. Thanks Maxi. Looks like Eastern Front will be in development for quite some time now. Not sure if that's a bad or good thing...

See this as an opportunity for concentrating on other things  :)
What you can also do is taking part in development and cook some nice maps, if you can..  ;)

Man, i would love to make maps, even more than i would love to be able to play Company Of Heroes, but the WorldBuilder always crashes whenever i try to use it. But, hey, at least it works better than Company Of Heroes...

here is mine for the ostheer, Operation barbossa-some battle with an eastrenfront map. then festung breslue that good map. then the last days of berlin. needs to be longer though

Ostheer should be Operation Barabarossa. After that, some batles where they have to hold out like in Trun in ToV.

I was thinking, mapping the spot out in some first person shooter games like CoD : WaW?

I realize, how much many of you, people, are anxious about some Ostheer campaign, but AFAIK the work on it will only be started after:
a) Ostheer faction is finished and polished (which is obvious),
b) soviet campaign is finished.
So, having no disregard for your anticipation of the Ostheer campaign and the corresponding ideas, I suggest putting a little more focus on the soviet campaign ATM.

I was thinking, wouldn't the Ostheer have the same missions as the soviets?

Maybe you should do Ostheer battles of to Half of Stalingrad, then Soviet Missions After that.

Makes sense - Play as the Soviet army when they are winning, and then as the Ostheer when they are winning. Granted it would be backwards, but it wouldn't be the first time in Company Of Heroes...

Seeme wrote:
I was thinking, wouldn't the Ostheer have the same missions as the soviets?

Maybe you should do Ostheer battles of to Half of Stalingrad, then Soviet Missions After that.

pariah wrote:
Makes sense - Play as the Soviet army when they are winning, and then as the Ostheer when they are winning. Granted it would be backwards, but it wouldn't be the first time in Company Of Heroes...

Ignorance (even a generic one) doesn't really make up for a history knowledge, guys. First major battle to be lost by german army was the battle for Moscow in 1941. Winter 1941-42 was the time of the first soviet offensive. That offensive pushed back the positions of the german army for 150-400 kilometers (it was a major offensive)
Don't look silly - google before posting (at least).

Last edited March 21, 2011 at 12:45 PM by IJoe

Sorry, IJoe, but i have no idea what the hell you are talking about. ??? ??? ???

pariah wrote:
Sorry, IJoe, but i have no idea what the hell you are talking about. ??? ??? ???

Mostly about Seeme's post and you agreeing with it, but never mind, keep you mind as clean as possible (oh! did I just make a calembour ?).

for the Ostheer you could make a campaign in germany, where the Ostheer fight with a lot outdated units like panzer III and panzer II and marauder II. vs the sovjet horde

OMG IJoe, I know that they were fighting back, but Stalingrad was to Turning point basically, so I assumed it would to be playing as Ostheer when they were doing good, and Soviets when they were crumbling.

Dude, stop being a history fanatic.

How about you start thinking about it before you post your history mumble jumble.

Seeme wrote:
OMG IJoe, I know that they were fighting back, but Stalingrad was to Turning point basically, so I assumed it would to be playing as Ostheer when they were doing good, and Soviets when they were crumbling.

Dude, stop being a history fanatic.

How about you start thinking about it before you post your history mumble jumble.

There's nothing wrong with being an educated person with a broad knowledge of history and a love for it. On the contrary.
I do not like people saying nonsensual things - true! So what? Does it make me a history fanatic? Not really.
No need to be hiding behind the curtain of presenting history (and it's not like I mentioned some detail, that is known only to scholars, - it is know to virtually anyone, who has ever seriously tried to learn about the WW2 in it's entirety) as something of no or little value, while saying things, that look strange at the least.
Basically, this isn't some softball league (or whatever you, US high school students play these days), - we discuss possible campaign script here, which is supposed to be based on history, more or less, and saying that soviets were loosing 'till the very Stalingrad battle is simply false, as I have noted.
Knowledge is power!

Cheers!

Yeah, pardon me for all this OT stuff, - it's friday, and I just came back home from a "reggae party" of a sort  ;D

i really want to play a battle in berlin as the germans

QuoteYeah, pardon me for all this OT stuff, - it's friday, and I just came back home from a "reggae party" of a sort

That explains everything! so you are high while posting here? not trying to be stereotypical at all  ;D

I wouldent care if the campaign missions arent 100% accurate. As long as they are fun to play.

Hey! We all get our highs and lows,- this is life, right?  ;D
...Anyway, I was thinking of a Stalingrad map (Soviet campaign), where you would start forcing your way out of Volga onto the quay (1st objective), capture the Mill house (2nd objective), advance to the sgt. Pavlov's house (a.k.a. Dom Pavlova), capture it and hold it against a counter attack (a real heavy one, with artillery and coming in three waves). That would be fun (IMO), intense and somewhat historically accurate (kind o' pressing events of several moths into a one-day operation).

I like the trun campaign. 1 map for 3 different battles. I could imagine this for Stalingrad too.

1.: Defend Stalingrad against the advancing Ostheer (but you have to retreat to the Volga)

2.: Battle at Pavlovs house or at the mill

3.: Retake Stalingrad

All on the same map. Maybe side missions like sniper ace that takes out 3 Officers and has to go cloaked trough german lines

The battle of kursk would be a neat campaigne :D

And maybe a offensiv defensive campaigne in Finland the summer of 44 from the germans perspective ? ^^

The fanboys are going to go crazy hoping for finnish soldiers if the campaigne takes place there and it would be fun to like HELL NO *trollface* not a singel finnish soldier XD

For Berlin itself, it definitely should be done in three parts:

1. The penetration of the suburbs, following the path of the 3rd Shock Army in its attack on Pankow and Reinickendorf (To the north of the Reichstag area). This would be standard residential house-to-house fighting.

2. The fighting in the city center. I'm a little unsure of whether the 3rd Shock Army should be played again, or if the 8th Guards Army would be better. I lean towards the 8th, if only because the fighting in the Tiergarten would be rather interesting. This would see a lot more fighting centered on large, important landmarks and buildings rather than residential housing.

3. The assault on the Reichstag area. I'd suggest that it should begin with the 3rd Shock Army's assault on the Moltke Bridge, and end with the clearing of the Konigsplatz up the entrance to the Reichstag.

Now, for the rest of the campaign. Here are some of my suggestions for battles, to provide some interesting variation throughout:

Soviet Campaign

Part 1: Defense of the Motherland

- Begins with the Battle of Leningrad, with 1-2 missions devoted to the defense of the route to the city and the city itself.

- Then moves on to Moscow herself, with 2 missions devoted for the city's defense and 1 to the immediate counterattack on December 5th.

- Here we skip to the Battle of Voronezh, with a mission devoted to the defense against the original German attack, and to a counterattack to liberate that area (Which only partially succeeds).

- Next, Stalingrad. This is already discussed in plenty of detail, so I think I don't have to talk much about it. I would suggest 2-3 missions focused upon its defense.

As the battle for Stalingrad reaches its peak at Pavlov's House, the Soviet counterattack begins.

Part 2: Reclaiming the Motherland

- As I mentioned above, the first two missions should be focused upon the Soviet encirclement of the defenders at Kalach (Part of Operation Little Saturn), and then on the defeat of Manstein's Operation Winter Storm.

- A mission devoted to the Battle of Novorossiysk, centered on the capture and defense of Malaya Zemlya.

- From here we skip ahead a bit to the Battle of Kursk. I'd suggest 3 missions devoted to this battle. The first at Ponyri, on the northern face of the salient, with heavy back and forth fighting between both sides as the Soviets attempt to push the Germans back, and the Germans try to push forward. Then we switch to the southern face, with the Defense of Syrtzevo in which the Soviets defend against the German assault, and the climactic Battle of Prokhorovka.

- After that comes the Soviet Counterattack. The first mission is for Operation Kutozov, the Soviet counterattack towards Orel. Another mission is devoted to Operation Polkovodets Rumyantsev, the southern counterattack against Kharkov and Belgorod.

- Two missions, one for the Lower Dnieper Strategic Offensive Operation, and one for the Battle of Kiev.

- One mission for the recapture of Smolensk.

- One mission for the lifting of the Siege of Leningrad.

- Three missions for the Dnieper-Carpathian offensive. The first for the Korsun Pocket (Supposedly very, very bloody and violent) the second for the assault across the Bug, and the third for the Battle and liberation of Odessa by the 8th Guards Army, attacking through a blizzard.

With Odessa free, the Ostheer in retreat on all fronts, and the Red Army poised to crush them once and for all, we turn to.......

Part 3: Assault on the Reich

- OPERATION BAGRATION. Yeah, in all caps. This is one of my favorite offensives. Let’s give it three missions. One for the assault and encirclement of Vitebsk, another for the taking of Mogilev, and finally, the liberation of Minsk.

- Next we have a mission devoted to the Battle of Riga and the ensuing encirclement of German forces in the Courland Pocket.

- 3 missions, devoted to the fighting in Hungary, especially around Budapest. The first focuses on the fighting in Pest, on the eastern side of the Danube, with heavy urban fighting. Then there's another mission for the halt of the German attempt to liberate the city. Finally, there’s the taking of Buda itself, which will be very hard due to the hilly nature of the city.

- 2 missions for the Vistula-Oder offensive. The first for the Battle of Warsaw (More bloody urban combat), the second for Zhukov’s advance to the Oder.

I'm not quite sure where to go from here, but there's a lot already. Thoughts?

Last edited March 27, 2011 at 12:59 AM by Rebel

is there any ostheer suggestions?

Mattdamon07 wrote:
is there any ostheer suggestions?

No.
Why do you ask?

In either case, soviets have priority on that ;).

It is possible, that campaigns ideas is take a lace ealier, but i wish to try.

All Campaigns will repeat history eveants, historical battles.

1. "Dying but don't surrender." "Умираю но не сдаюсь."
Country border defence & winter counterattack.

Campaign battle group: NKVD border defence forces. (Naming can be corrected.)
History event: 132 NKVD battalion "hold the line" near the border of the country, wile main frontline RKKA korps retreating for build the defence line near Kiev. Hard bloody fighting aling to one month, including Brest Fortress defence.
42 NKVD convoy brigade in Belorussia, near Minsk city hold a bridge in 4 days, while evacuation is proceding. It's hard defence line with 15km longtitude, against motorised divition with 300 tanks.
6 NKVD divisions reforms to infantry divitions for the Moscow defence line. They are hold the main defence lane, counterattack then to 80-100km in depth of the front.
Moscow defence map for change a battle places & later transfer to the campaign:



Conditions - pure tank resources, NKVD infantry battlegroups with Molotovs availability.

2. "Behind the Volga river we have no land." Stalingrad.
NKVD stuff organise field sniper school. Experienced on border battles, NKVD officers & soldiers transfers to the hot points of the frontline to teach tallent soldiers as a snipers.
Agents got the information about "Blau" operation.
There are long time streetfighting episodes & near city hard war episodes.
Bloody Mamaevs mound, hard long defence of Pavlovs house, "Uran" operation, Operation "Circle".
For example - Pavlovs House have a basement with a soviet forvard defence line. Along those basement stuff sending food, ammo & reinforcements. With MG nests, minefields & barbed wires was helpfull for holding the line.
During Stalingrad battle, take a place tank attacks, counteroffensive, massive sniper tactics, & new version of Tank break-through army doctrine.
Battlegroup: Stalingrad front against Army group B.

Conditions: Hard defense, medium offensive difficulty.

3. "Steel offensive" Kursk

Events:
Summer–Autumn Campaign of 1943 (1 July – 31 December) include:

Kursk Strategic Defensive Operation (5–23 July 1943)

Orel-Kursk Defensive Operation (5–11 July)
    Belgorod-Kursk Defensive Operation (5–23 July)

Orel Strategic Counter-offensive Operation (codenamed Operation Kutuzov) (12 July – 18 August 1943)

Volkhov-Orel Offensive Operation (12 July – 18 August)
    Kromy-Orel Offensive Operation (15 July – 18 August)

Belgorod–Kharkov Counter-offensive Offensive Operation (codenamed Operation Rumyantsev) (3–23 August 1943)

Belgorod–Bogodukhov Offensive Operation (3–23 August)

Battle of Prokhorovka (12 July 1943)

Zmiyev Offensive Operation (12–23 August)
(There are lot of information ... posting later if neded.)

Campaign can be divided into 2-4-8 large scale episodes.

4. "Eastern front falls - "Operation "Bagration"
Events:
The battle - first phase: the tactical breakthrough
The first phase of Soviet deep operations, the "deep battle" envisaged breaking through the tactical zones and forward German defences. Once these tactical offensives had been successful, fresh operational reserves exploited the breakthrough and the operational depths of the enemy front using powerful mechanized and armoured formations to encircle enemy concentrations on an Army Group Scale.

Vitebsk-Orsha Offensive
Mogilev Offensive
Bobruysk Offensive
& others
Second phase: Strategic offensive against Army Group Centre
The second phase of Operation Bagration involved the entire operation's most significant single objective: the retaking of Minsk, capital of the Belorussian SSR. It would also complete the large-scale encirclement and destruction, set up by the first phase, of much of Army Group Centre.

Minsk Offensive
Polotsk Offensive
...
Third phase: strategic offensive operations in the south
As German resistance had almost completely collapsed, Soviet forces were ordered to push on as far as possible beyond the original objective of Minsk, and new objectives were issued by the Stavka. This resulted in a third phase of offensive operations, which should be regarded as a further part of Operation Bagration.
Feldmarshal Walter Model, who had taken over command of Army Group Centre on 28 June when Ernst Busch was sacked, hoped to reestablish a defensive line running through Lida using what was left of Third Panzer, Fourth and Ninth Armies along with new reinforcements.

Šiauliai Offensive
Vilnius Offensive
Belostock Offensive
Lublin-Brest Offensive
Kaunas Offensive
Osovets Offensive
...
(Map for easy battle places finding.)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/BagrationMap2.jpg

Conditions: Large scale, hard offensive fighting, massive tank armys applied.

It's for ideas only ...

Last edited April 18, 2011 at 1:05 PM by Sturmovik

Topics merged

Sturmovik wrote:
It is possible, that campaigns ideas is take a place earlier, but i wish to try....All Campaigns will repeat history eveants, historical battles. ;D ;D ;D

Hedgehopper greetings. your campaign maps were unavailable on wiki. MS. said something about errors in the upload. What is the name of the book and publisher they were found in? maybe i can get my library to order it. I don't know cyrillic for borsht. I was fascinated by the notes on Operation Silver Fox I didn't know about the joint operation between the xxxvi Mtn Corps and the Finnish III mtn corps to take Murmansk.  8) In any case the Maps are great. A campaign scenario on the OKW's assault on the triple defence lines would be wild.  from the Ostheer player's side but seems like the plans are being made for a Sov Faction campaign. :( Ah well there will be time enough later to develop mods on the EF mod. :) The maps seem to indicate a paradrop into a  Sov. pocket west of Moscow. Is this a supply drop or an airbourne operation?  If you take half as much care in designing your campaign as you did in crafting this post the campaign will be great! :)

MaxiKing6 wrote:
A Berlin campaign. Missions:

• Crossing of the Oder river


• Seelow Heights


• Battle of Halbe


• Berlin outskirts


• Battle for the Reichstag

Fight your way onto the German capitol city.

Sounds like CoD: World at War.....

Ostheer campaign: operation barbarossa

soviet campaign: the counter offensive on to berlin!

REDcommissar wrote:
Ostheer campaign: operation barbarossa

soviet campaign: the counter offensive on to berlin!

Not quite accurate :P

New suggestion (as an alternative to Stalingrad):

Rschew (Rzhev) pocket

As the Wehrmacht progressed onto Moscow, the Soviets took heavy casualties defending their capital. But in the hard Russian winter of 1941, the German steamroller could be stopped. Now 3 German armies are standing in front of Moscows doors. You, an Army of the Kalinin Front, are up to encircle the fascists and cut their head of by surrounding them.

This mission would be great for Partizan missions, too (look at the map)

I'm fascinated that u always think of the same campaign ideas like all other strategy games had already used.
I'm also fascinated that u think of 1941 campaigns when u know all the Ostheer stuff xD

So; My first point is a possible setting from 1942 till 1944. 3 years of war where u can search for an nice campaign story.

Basing on this frame i would think of a campaign around a special soldier or a special unit or a special battle event.
Examples for my "structure" are:
special persons -> e.g. for a real person: campaign around tiger ace Otto Carius with the big final at the battle of the bocage of the eastern front near Dünaburg (dont know english name of this town)
e.g. for a fictional person: Feldwebel Rolf Steiner basing on the story The Willing Flesh - Das geduldige Fleisch by Willi Heinrich.

special unit -> e.g. Tiger-Abteilungen or StuG-Abteilungen or Divisions like Großdeutschland and so one - a lot of stories could told by using such a frame!

special battles -> e.g. the pocket of tscherkassy or battle of budapest and so one. Such a frame would limit the campaign structure but u had a real battle event u cold narrate ;)

So. Lot of possibilities ^^ Not all the time all this "old" stories like an other campaign of the beginning of operation Barbarossa or the battle of Stalingrad. This is (in german words ;)) 0815! ^^

Lord wrote:
I'm fascinated that u always think of the same campaign ideas like all other strategy games had already used.

yeah i think all the  strategy games have the same story because there is only one story :P

try to be too creative and original and it ends up being like wtf?! its not the story that makes WWII games succesful or fail its how you portray it and the depth of the gameplay/units. and in this department we have a winner  :)

Last edited April 19, 2011 at 7:00 PM by REDcommissar

REDcommissar wrote:

Lord wrote:
I'm fascinated that u always think of the same campaign ideas like all other strategy games had already used.

yeah i think all the  strategy games have the same story because there is only one story :P

Or is it because we (well, at least some of us) only know history from computer games? Sad but true. I don't consider myself to this group, my bookshelves are full of WW2 books. So there was the idea of Rzhev pocket. I will look for some other interesting, non-mainstram battles later  ;)

MaxiKing6 wrote:

REDcommissar wrote:

Lord wrote:
I'm fascinated that u always think of the same campaign ideas like all other strategy games had already used.

yeah i think all the  strategy games have the same story because there is only one story :P

Or is it because we (well, at least some of us) only know history from computer games? Sad but true. I don't consider myself to this group, my bookshelves are full of WW2 books. So there was the idea of Rzhev pocket. I will look for some other interesting, non-mainstram battles later  ;)

A story has many chapters, but its still the same story ;)

Im glad I didnt learn my history from computer games too :o

I think it'd be interesting to set the OH campaign in the Balkans or Hungary. It is far off the beaten path taken by games like Call of Duty, and would be interesting seeing Germans and Russians duke it out in foreign lands. It'd also be a good place to see foreign troops come in.

I havn't heard of the battle towards Moscow in videogames, or Leningrad for that matter. They could also be good in a campaign.

And Rommel, I hate that idea. That is exactly what made Tales of Valor lousy. If you are going to focus on a unit, it better be atleast a regiment or division.

Last edited April 19, 2011 at 8:14 PM by HyperSniper999

HyperSniper999 wrote:
And Rommel, I hate that idea. That is exactly what made Tales of Valor lousy. If you are going to focus on a unit, it better be atleast a regiment or division level.

1.) Which idea xD
2.) CoH vanilla and Opposing Fronts used units, too.
In CoH vanilla u played the able company of 101st US Airborn and in OF the Kampfgruppe Lehr (perhaps a mix of all this small Kampfgruppen around Arnhem and co ;)). So i dont see a problem to build up an Ostheer campaign around a special unit.

@REDcommissar:
One note; There isnt one story ;) There is one history ;)
Otherwise we wont have so much books and memoirs about this history.

I personally prefer the idea to build up an Ostheer campaign around a special person - fictive or real. ^^

Lord wrote:

HyperSniper999 wrote:
And Rommel, I hate that idea. That is exactly what made Tales of Valor lousy. If you are going to focus on a unit, it better be atleast a regiment or division level.

1.) Which idea xD
2.) CoH vanilla and Opposing Fronts used units, too.
In CoH vanilla u played the able company of 101st US Airborn and in OF the Kampfgruppe Lehr (perhaps a mix of all this small Kampfgruppen around Arnhem and co ;)). So i dont see a problem to build up an Ostheer campaign around a specific unit

Your hero idea. Sure, there were some very epic people in the war 9Audie Murphy, Vasily Zaitsev) but I just thought hero squads or individual characters just doesn't make sense and isn't really fun. I'm all for divisions and regiments and such, but focussing on individual squads is just too small. The original campaigns and OF are what I'd want.

Had never talk about heroes oO
A soldier is a soldier - nothing more, nothing less.

1. The story can be told from some person's perspective, but I'd hate to play a campaign more or less based around a special unit - fxck ToV!
2. Why are you talking about ostheer, when it's not even done yet, and the soviet campaign is a priority to it? Just asking.

Lord wrote:
@REDcommissar:
One note; There isnt one story ;) There is one history ;)
Otherwise we wont have so much books and memoirs about this history.

exactly now we're on the same page ;D

Lord wrote:
Had never talk about heroes oO
A soldier is a soldier - nothing more, nothing less.

Well you mentioned Tiger Aces and stuff. He can proably be the story teller like the guy from the US  campaign, but not actually present in-game.

REDcommissar wrote:

Lord wrote:
@REDcommissar:
One note; There isnt one story ;) There is one history ;)
Otherwise we wont have so much books and memoirs about this history.

exactly now we're on the same page ;D

And the best point is:
In english there are two different words for this point xD
In german we just have "Geschichte" -> "Geschichte mit Geschichten erzählen" - narrate history by stories ^^

@IJoe:
Why I'm just talking about Ostheer? Well...I became part of this dev team to design the Ostheer ^^ So this is "my baby" from the beginning till the end ;)