Paciat wrote:
Griptonix wrote:
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[quote author=Griptonix link=topic=4999.msg54801#msg54801 date=1295026395]
Germany had large convoys going towards north africa.
No, there were Italian convoys. ::) Germans were blocked by Gibraltar.
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You could point to successes from all sides with their subs but what I meant is that the Germans as far as WWII goes win the submarine trophy.
Cause only Germany and US had a chance too use subs in a efective way.
Italian convoys were defended by their airforce all the way (not a long way) to Tripoli so sending UK subs vs them was a suicide.
And sorry but the US won the sub trophy (and the war too) destroing Japanese merchant fleet. Germany couldnt do that to the British and so they loose.
well, we'll have to agree to disagree. The Germans did have large convoys supplying the Afrika Korps from the south of France to Afrika and Italy to the South Europe.
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Those werent german ships. They were Italian or Vichy France.
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the japs didn't stand a chance, they had a large surface fleet but after the U.S. won air superiority there wasn't much they could do to the U.S. subs or surface.
Both German and US subs attacked merchant ships far away from any airbase. US subs were able to launch independent submarine operations. Not every US sub had a carrier to support it.
Yes if I were the Germans I would rely on the FRENCH and the Italians, the worst allies someone could have.
The Germans invested heavily in their submarines because they knew their surface fleet couldn't stand a chance, the U.S. was able to attain such success because the japs didn't believe in a strong underwater force because their surface fleet already rivaled the U.S.
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