Eastern Front News #26.11.2010

Hello Eastern Front fans,

We have some news from the front:

One of the most important bugs that always was lurking inside EF since it's beginnings, has been fixed. What bug I'm talking about?





Thanks to Cope, who found a way to fix the recrew-issue; props to him. Now the soviets will be able to recrew all kind of heavy weapons like the original factions do.

However if this changes are committed to 1.30 (1.24 just renamed because it's a pretty big patch by now), besides this patch is already behind-schedule, will be delayed a little longer, to balance this new feature.

Last edited November 27, 2010 at 9:47 PM by Rizz

nice, but I'm afraid of facing soviet army equipped with MGs

cephalos wrote:
nice, but I'm afraid of facing soviet army equipped with MGs

+1

cephalos wrote:
nice, but I'm afraid of facing soviet army equipped with MGs

Rizz wrote:
[...]However if this changes are committed to 1.30 (1.24 just renamed because it's a pretty big patch by now), besides this patch is already behind-schedule, will be delayed a little longer, to balance this new feature.[...]

sounds like you don't have to be afraid  ;)

jackpot!

cephalos wrote:
nice, but I'm afraid of facing soviet army equipped with MGs

+1

Maybe Soviets can recrew only their lost-in-battle weapons.
Anyway, good job. :)

This patch will correct slowdown problems ?
But, I have to say this patch is very nice. =)
Good job guys

devs rock ;)

Moonwalker wrote:
Maybe Soviets can recrew only their lost-in-battle weapons.
Anyway, good job. :)

That would be darn bad. I hope it's not the way Devs see a solution to the balance issue.

Last edited November 26, 2010 at 1:14 PM by IJoe

Yeah, you are great!!!

If you lose a MG to the enemy, he deserves to use it!

revoluzer wrote:
If you lose a MG to the enemy, he deserves to use it!

This

Also, the possible rebalancing Rizz meant includes changing crew sizes of all soviet weapons (you don't need extra men now, cause you can use cheap conscripts to recrew weapon in case of FUBAR)

Praise Mother Russia!

Finally. Good job devs, and thanks much to Cope!

Gief

IJoe wrote:

Moonwalker wrote:
Maybe Soviets can recrew only their lost-in-battle weapons.
Anyway, good job. :)

That would be darn bad. I hope it's not the way Devs see a solution to the balance issue.

Why? Soviets are already powerful in Late Game, they don't need MG42 or PaK38 to beat Axis forces.

Last edited November 26, 2010 at 3:36 PM by Moonwalker

Moonwalker wrote:
Why? Soviets are already powerful in Late Game, they don't need MG42 or PaK38 to beat Axis forces.

Because, in my opinion, it looks really stupid, and right now there is no valid excuse for it any more.

P.S.: Please, guys, don't start flaming. I just don't want to see a bunch of "stupid commies" who don't know how to use hmg. Well, that's me, sorry if I hurt your feelings.

Yaaay! So there is no limits for the Ostheer. :D Best news ever!

IJoe wrote:

Moonwalker wrote:
Why? Soviets are already powerful in Late Game, they don't need MG42 or PaK38 to beat Axis forces.

Because, in my opinion, it looks really stupid, and right now there is no valid excuse for it any more.

P.S.: Please, guys, don't start flaming. I just don't want to see a bunch of "stupid commies" who don't know how to use hmg. Well, that's me, sorry if I hurt your feelings.

I don't wanna start any flaming..I express my opinion and it's only because I don't want a unbalanced game...that's all!

Peace & Love  :D

wait with the suggestions and complains until release eh ? im sure the dev's have enough experiance and competent ppl to help them with avoiding releasing something awefull balanced. Please take your time with the 1.30 and play test it to the max before release.

This is awesome!!!
To all who worries about if Russia will become too strong, we can always find other ways to nerf them.
This has been a top priority since the release date and call for celebration and happiness. Good job.

How will the veterancy work?
Will only upgraded conscripts and strelky etc. be able to gain veterancy whilst using a HMG? or base level infantry aswell?

one way of balancing the recrewing would be not to allow conscripts to recrew weapons (if that is possible) so red army has to use more expensive units for recrewing.

Ghost wrote:
one way of balancing the recrewing would be not to allow conscripts to recrew weapons (if that is possible) so red army has to use more expensive units for recrewing.

Maybe a weapon capture could be somehow wired up to the mancount of the squad, which, in case of conscripts, is equal to 1 (so the icon says anyway). then the whole unit of conscripts will be able to capture no more than 1 weapon. Though I'm not sure if it's technically possible.

Last edited November 26, 2010 at 10:30 PM by IJoe

If conscripts will use a teamweapon, their health is still really low, so they would die quickly...

I think it could be a good way to get rid of those unarmed conscripts :). I'm eager to see how this will end.

All I got to say is EF will be waaaaay different now.

You should call the patch: 2.00

Good work devs!

p/s on the video (in last minutes) the soviet group is attacking Nazi with MG42, but when they captured their machine gun, they became a group with mortar...will u fix it in patch? =)))

Last edited November 27, 2010 at 11:14 AM by Zuzundra

Zuzundra wrote:
[...]p/s on the video (in last minutes) the soviet group is attacking Nazi with MG42, but when they captured their machine gun, they became a group with mortar...will u fix it in patch? =)))

it's mentioned in the vid: it's just an icon bug that will be fixed.

Seeme wrote:
[...]You should call the patch: 2.00

as far as i remember "version 2.0" is reserved for the ostheer (a dev mentioned that long time ago). and the upcoming patch was just renamed to 1.30 because of the big changes.

Last edited November 27, 2010 at 11:48 AM by Ghost

Great.
We all play EF to play Soviets but usually a 2v2 had 1 US or UK player. Now theres no reason that someone needs to play standard fractions. Comet, 105 Sherman and Jumbo are a fun add but thats all.

except icon, there is wrong voice of group =) there are speaking about mortar =))))))))

Ach! Now we're going to see more conscript blobs Zerg-rushing to capture re-crewable weapons... as if they weren't cheap and expendable enough to begin with  :P

How about putting in severe penalties (accuracy? damage?) for Sovs who re-crew/capture axis weapons? It'll deter a lot of people from spamming a horde armed with mostly StG44s, HMG42s/LMG42s and ninja PaKs which would irrevocably ruin the balance.

Since conscripts and such generally weren't trained to handle said weapons, it would make a lot of sense if they wouldn't be able to wield them as effectively as their original owners might have (Soviet weapons inspectors who inspected captured MG42s and labeled them as 'mechanically unreliable' and 'prone to breakage and jamming' actually forgot to factor in the general lack of experience/training, the negligent maintenance of the equipment and the abuse/misuse of such by the new users).

All things said, this is a very welcome change indeed... finally we can petition for towed infantry guns, towed Maxim HMGs and HMG34s  :D

Last edited November 27, 2010 at 6:34 PM by Werwolf

Werwolf wrote:
Since conscripts and such generally weren't trained to handle said weapons, it would make a lot of sense if they wouldn't be able to wield them as effectively as their original owners might have (Russian weapons inspectors who inspected captured MG42s and labeled them as 'mechanically unreliable' and 'prone to breakage and jamming' actually forgot to factor in the general lack of experience/training, the negligent maintenance of the equipment and the abuse/misuse of such by the new users).

All things said, this is a very welcome change indeed... finally we can petition for infantry guns, towed Maxims and HMG34s  :D

You know, in terms of historical accuracy, which you seem to like to take as an example, volksgrenadiers were no soldiers at all (kids from 15 y.o. and old sandbags in fact), still they are quite decent in taking out US basic infantry (which, in fact, received some serious military training).
By the way, the high edge of the SU of the pre-WW2 time was that basic military training (shooting ranges, sharpshooter sections, regular mobilizations of all males of conscription age to warcamps etc.) was received by wide masses of the population. In fact the weak spot of the SU army of the time was not the puny quality of manforce, but the lack of junior officers, due to massive executions in the army in '37, and the lack of equipment, due to the mass rearmament going about, and the tremendous losses of techniques and personal firearms in the first 3-4 months of war (infamous blitzkrieg).
So there is no need to think about privates of soviet army, as if they were some savages, who just went down from trees. Though the propaganda (the fascist one at the time of war, and the western one nowadays) states so.
Finally, I wish to state, that balance (which surely needs to be there) should be achieved by some other means, instead of turning soviets into stupid meatbags, knowing nothing about firearms and easy to kill just by pointing a finger at them.

Addon:

Werwolf wrote:
Soviet weapons inspectors who inspected captured MG42s and labeled them as 'mechanically unreliable' and 'prone to breakage and jamming'

These weapons were, actually, what they were called, in comparison to those, used by the soviet army. You see, every weapon has it's advantages and disadvantages, just like american m16 is, in fact, less reliable, has less penetration ability, and is more inclined to jamming than soviet ak 47, 'though it (m16) is more accurate at middle-long ranges.
By that said, I don't mean to argue on the hight quality of german firearms of the time, but simply point out, that soviet inspectors did note it's disadvantages correctly.

Last edited November 28, 2010 at 5:50 AM by IJoe

Werwolf wrote:
[...]
How about putting in severe penalties (accuracy? damage?) for Sovs who re-crew/capture axis weapons? [...]

I like this idea.

Werwolf wrote:
All things said, this is a very welcome change indeed... finally we can petition for towed infantry guns, towed Maxim HMGs and HMG34s  :D

coughanimatorscough:(...

@IJoe
The thing is how do you want to balance capture weapons?
Conscripts shouldn't get that ability or conscripts should get it and have penalties? Those are the only choices... what would you choose? Did I miss a third one????

@blackbishop
How about that squad mancount idea (prev. that thread) of mine? Could it be the third one?

blackbishop wrote:

Werwolf wrote:
[...]
How about putting in severe penalties (accuracy? damage?) for Sovs who re-crew/capture axis weapons? [...]

I like this idea.

Me too  :)

IJoe wrote:
@blackbishop
How about that squad mancount idea (prev. that thread) of mine? Could it be the third one?

I was going to say something about it in my previous post but I'm afraid I'm not SCAR coder, that's why i prayed that you didn't ask xD, honestly I don't know... throwing exception to Rizz or Dragon.

I support the idea of penalties for conscripts, but only for them, the others (Strelky, Guards,...) should recrew the weapons without penalties.

revoluzer wrote:
I support the idea of penalties for conscripts, but only for them, the others (Strelky, Guards,...) should recrew the weapons without penalties.

In that case, which, I hope, will not be the way Devs will approach the issue, they at least deserve some decent veterancy  instead (or to be more affected by the global upgrade: give 'em all rifles as well as molotovs)  since, taking into account the latest circumstances, it doesn't appear to me to be OP any more.

Last edited November 28, 2010 at 3:40 AM by IJoe

UURRAAHHHHHH!!

PATCH 1.30 " Ultimatum Copernicus -De revolutionibus Recrew Bugs "
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

@delmar77:
That's the first thing in months which really made me laugh ;). Thanks!

IJoe wrote:

revoluzer wrote:
I support the idea of penalties for conscripts, but only for them, the others (Strelky, Guards,...) should recrew the weapons without penalties.

In that case, which, I hope, will not be the way Devs will approach the issue, they at least deserve some decent veterancy  instead (or to be more affected by the global upgrade: give 'em all rifles as well as molotovs)  since, taking into account the latest circumstances, it doesn't appear to me to be OP any more.

It'll be easier to stomach some accuracy penalties for re-crewing, rather than prolong the balancing process by constantly nerfing and tweaking each unit's stats one by one IMO.

A global upgrade for everyone? Hmm. Molotovs should either cost a few munitions points or have a long cooldown time to even things out a bit (they're pretty lethal incendiary explosives, after all). And they should probably come in at Vet 3 for non-elite infantry units such as conscripts and ingenery... That's just my suggestion.

Last edited November 28, 2010 at 4:32 PM by Werwolf

Werwolf wrote:
A global upgrade for everyone? Hmm. Molotovs should either cost a few munitions points or have a long cooldown time to even things out a bit (they're pretty lethal incendiary explosives, after all). And they should probably come in at Vet 3 for non-elite infantry units such as conscripts and ingenery... That's just my suggestion.

You've never played as a soviet, have you?  ???
Try doing it for a change,- you might come to know a lot of "new" details about EF.  ;)

To be honest I agree with IJoe. Molotovs are fine.

Conscripts don't have a chance of scaling without them.

GodlikeDennis wrote:
To be honest I agree with IJoe. Molotovs are fine.

Conscripts don't have a chance of scaling without them.

True. Their useless vs PE and a molotov is what they need vs Soldiers armor. Otherwise their free vet for PE.

Ok now they can recrew, devs please, make a Maxim HMG mounted on wheels ! Like the Maxim 32 !

http://www.mis-arme.com/armes/Neutralisees/image/maxim1.jpg

Please !

nico97one wrote:
Ok now they can recrew, devs please, make a Maxim HMG mounted on wheels ! Like the Maxim 32 !

http://www.mis-arme.com/armes/Neutralisees/image/maxim1.jpg

Please !

Why? They need it? ;)

nico97one wrote:
Ok now they can recrew, devs please, make a Maxim HMG mounted on wheels ! Like the Maxim 32 !

http://www.mis-arme.com/armes/Neutralisees/image/maxim1.jpg

Please !

Perhaps could be implemented, who knows? ::)

great work Comrads!!!
when patch is coming ?

From Rizz' words,

ETA: ASAP

blackbishop wrote:
From Rizz' words,

ETA: ASAP

Nice to hear!  :D

We're been cooking some announcements post ;)... stay tuned(not related to the release of patch... it's too soon :( yet).