Why no more conscripts?

Hi all , ive noticed once i create around 6 or 7 conscript squads i go back to the building in order to create more , however the icon is shaded out and says " Requires conscripts " i also don't have the upgrade for them so they take up no population. Did Ef decide to put a limit on the amount of conscripts you can have or something ? i was thinking they could make it at least 10 - 15 squads. Thanks.

Fementedbeancurd wrote:
Hi all , ive noticed once i create around 6 or 7 conscript squads i go back to the building in order to create more , however the icon is shaded out and says " Requires conscripts " i also don't have the upgrade for them so they take up no population. Did Ef decide to put a limit on the amount of conscripts you can have or something ? i was thinking they could make it at least 10 - 15 squads. Thanks.

15 squads? Thats more than 3000MP.

Also there's a cap of 4 for the conscripts afaik.

Pretty sure it's 5 for each type of conscript. So you can get 5 normal + 5 penal.

Wow this sounds lame. What happened to the idea of unlimited conscripts that take up no pop cap.

Fementedbeancurd wrote:
Wow this sounds lame.

Do you expect to win spamming conscripts? that's lame... Make penal troops and they will have greater firepower.

Conscripts were been capped, I don't remember well, but since 1.10 or perhaps some patches before. If you can create more than 5 conscripts either you have an outdated version or your conscripts died and you didn't noticed.

All in all, if you have 6 or 7 conscript at the field, it's GG, you give the game to the opponent, unless you are playing 1.0. You'll never need more than 5 conscripts, and even that is too much IMO.

Fementedbeancurd wrote:
What happened to the idea of unlimited conscripts that take up no pop cap.

You can say good bye to that idea, the times of EF 1.0 will never return.

Last edited September 26, 2010 at 4:45 AM by blackbishop

The upgraded conscript unit is pointless due to cost and pop. count, might as well go for strelky or guards at that point.  An ingenery unit has more value for the cost, imo.

Pointless because of the pop? Their pop cost is 1. You cannot compare an engineer unit with conscripts or penal troops because they do not fill the same role.

Conscripts and penal troops capture points faster than engineers. IMO engineers drop like flies in combat, faster than conscripts(I'm talking about soldiers not the whole unit). A penal troop is superior than them in combat, the only time worth chosing the latter than the former is if you need to repair or build something, because they don't have demo charges or any other ability besides the flamethrower when you research Assault Engineers.

About the comparison between Strelkys and Penal Troops, I didn't looked at their stats so I have nothing to say.

Last edited September 26, 2010 at 6:13 PM by blackbishop

blackbishop wrote:
the only time worth chosing the latter than the former is if you need to repair or build something

Their good at killing pios.

and kettenrads. but I must admit I love to use 5 squads in one blob to make pure chaos. they are good in distracting, when unexperienced player see 40-men strong blob.... with 20 rifles  :-\

i actually want unlimited back..
because i always play a game of defense and attack with friends LAN
one builds defenses while the other makes an attack force..
and when the one is finished the other attacks, and with russians it was so much fun seeing HUNDREDS of conscripts coming at you..
but yeah, you'll probably not undo the limited popcap for the conscripts because of me and my idiotic noob friends ^^
(i also play normal games and automatches but the friends that i play with are just not that good as me and they hate to lose everytime lol)

In my version of EF conscripts that are upgraded count as 4, not 1 for population.  I believe that changed with last patch.  The cost difference to strelky is only 40 mp at that point and 3 more pop.  Much more useful/value. imo.

redtail666 wrote:
In my version of EF conscripts that are upgraded count as 4, not 1 for population.  I believe that changed with last patch.  The cost difference to strelky is only 40 mp at that point and 3 more pop.  Much more useful/value. imo.

Yeah, looks like you have an older version.

SK8ERatWAR wrote:
i actually want unlimited back..
because i always play a game of defense and attack with friends LAN
one builds defenses while the other makes an attack force..
and when the one is finished the other attacks, and with russians it was so much fun seeing HUNDREDS of conscripts coming at you..
but yeah, you'll probably not undo the limited popcap for the conscripts because of me and my idiotic noob friends ^^
(i also play normal games and automatches but the friends that i play with are just not that good as me and they hate to lose everytime lol)

+1 meatgrinder....

The only way you can get them unlimited is if they had no weapons :P.

Correct me if Im wrong but constripts have 0 upkeep. Soviet upkeep is high, just like US, but they have no Supply Center. This makes Constripts great in long games. They can sit in a trench or a building all day long.

blackbishop wrote:

redtail666 wrote:
In my version of EF conscripts that are upgraded count as 4, not 1 for population.  I believe that changed with last patch.  The cost difference to strelky is only 40 mp at that point and 3 more pop.  Much more useful/value. imo.

Yeah, looks like you have an older version.

That's the current version. The commissar himself is worth 4 pop while the rest of the squad is worth 0 each. That's because you have to make pop cost an integer and conscripts aren't worth 8-9 pop.

Paciat wrote:
Correct me if Im wrong but constripts have 0 upkeep. Soviet upkeep is high, just like US, but they have no Supply Center. This makes Constripts great in long games. They can sit in a trench or a building all day long.

Did not know this, and it's certainly very interesting. They still have nowhere near the combat value of strelky though which are only slightly more expensive. Is it possible to make the execute ability actually kill a squad member but make the squad MUCH better in combat for a couple seconds?

GodlikeDennis wrote:

blackbishop wrote:

redtail666 wrote:
In my version of EF conscripts that are upgraded count as 4, not 1 for population.  I believe that changed with last patch.  The cost difference to strelky is only 40 mp at that point and 3 more pop.  Much more useful/value. imo.

Yeah, looks like you have an older version.

That's the current version. The commissar himself is worth 4 pop while the rest of the squad is worth 0 each. That's because you have to make pop cost an integer and conscripts aren't worth 8-9 pop.

Oh, I thought he was refering to conscripts not the Shtrafnyie troops :).

GodlikeDennis wrote:

Paciat wrote:
Correct me if Im wrong but constripts have 0 upkeep. Soviet upkeep is high, just like US, but they have no Supply Center. This makes Constripts great in long games. They can sit in a trench or a building all day long.

Did not know this, and it's certainly very interesting. They still have nowhere near the combat value of strelky though which are only slightly more expensive. Is it possible to make the execute ability actually kill a squad member but make the squad MUCH better in combat for a couple seconds?

Indeed, both, Conscripts and Shtrafnyie have 0 upkeep cost.

Last edited September 28, 2010 at 2:53 AM by blackbishop