Some Brit issues...

-the Demolition squad for Brits receive the same penalty when moving on enemy or neutral soil as do all Brit infantry get except for the recon. This should be ofcourse changed.
-the Overwatch ability should be more effective... now it provides only some scary fireworks
-The left doctrine side of the Commandos should be reworked... I sugest..2 points for Glider HQ, 2 points for Commandos and one point for Tetrach(So it doesnt come too late)

Cheers!

1. meh, sounds logical
2. those scary fireworks can destroy a inf blob in a second, withouth ANY survivors.. it's just not effective vs tanks..
3. NOOO.. you want OP commandos flying in when you're still no where near building a krieg barracks?

By Demolition squad do you mean sappers with demo? Sappers are basic Brit inf and suffer from the slow moving in un-captured sectors. That is the hardest part of playing Brits, that moving at a crawl speed when you don't have the lieutenant with you. Commandos or any of the inf from the HQ glider don't suffer from this.

In 1v1 Brits are very difficult to play. They are much better in team games. a while back I tried like hell with the Brits and I could never make it past lv 10 in 1v1. I gave up. But I never used Roos. stayed with Crom, Firefly and command tank. Alot of people don't know the importance of the command tank. The firefly fires every 10 seconds without the command tank and every 6 seconds with command tank. And the rate of fire and range increases as the command tank gets vet. With their weak armor fireflies are almost useless without command tank


I agree about the HQ glider, it should be switched with the tetra tank. 2CP after commandos would be about right.

Demo squads are supposed to not have the moving penalty other brits have, but when they enter the aura of the LT they get glitched.

Overwatch is fine.

I believe he means make the glider HQ come before commandos, at 2cps. That way, commandos come in at 4 cps. This is fine if commandos were buffed and made to scale.

GodlikeDennis wrote:
Demo squads are supposed to not have the moving penalty other brits have, but when they enter the aura of the LT they get glitched.

Overwatch is fine.

I believe he means make the glider HQ come before commandos, at 2cps. That way, commandos come in at 4 cps. This is fine if commandos were buffed and made to scale.

I don't know, I rely heavily on commandos for pak killers. Then I can re-crew the pak or demo it. Its the only thing that saves my tanks.

Sonders wrote:

GodlikeDennis wrote:
Demo squads are supposed to not have the moving penalty other brits have, but when they enter the aura of the LT they get glitched.

Overwatch is fine.

I believe he means make the glider HQ come before commandos, at 2cps. That way, commandos come in at 4 cps. This is fine if commandos were buffed and made to scale.

I don't know, I rely heavily on commandos for pak killers. Then I can re-crew the pak or demo it. Its the only thing that saves my tanks.

excellent tactic, as the brits have zero early anti-armour capability. the 17 pounder is a joke.

I don't think I would call the 17 pounder a "Joke". It does go down fast to flames and shricks, however, it is cheap and has a very fast build time and a huge range if you get LOS. The AP rounds come in handy on panthers or tigers. I wouldn't waste the munitions on small tanks or light vehicles. The trick is, putting it in the right place.

Another thing alot of people don't know or they forget is, you have to manually reface the 17 pounder. It wont turn and fire on its own. Now the Battle between the pak and 17 pounder depends on who has LOS. Unless you are willing to use the pak exploit which I'm not going to explane because I don't want people to use it. That exploit wont work in EF mod anyway.

Now the befores is a joke because of its range.

Last edited August 26, 2010 at 10:33 AM by Sonders

Pak creeping isn't an exploit but it is lame.

GodlikeDennis wrote:
Pak creeping isn't an exploit but it is lame.

BS, its an exploit. The pak can shoot all day like that and never un-cloak. In vcoh pak is the most powerful thing on the field. I see a pak I make every effort to kill it. That's the main reason I always go urban, so I can get sat charge and have a fast way to kill a empty pak. Or you have to stand there and shoot at it with small arms fire. I hate paks, unless there mine, lol. I have never used the pak exploit.Paks have been a problem for a long time now. Remember the one shot kill anything bug? That finely got patched.

I agree with re-arranging the LHS Commando tree. There's 0 use for MGs or Mortars at 7 CP, but they could breathe a lot of life into British diversity if they were useful.

Overwatch....there are so many problems with RCA. The entire RHS tree is basically automating something the player should be doing himself, so its bound to be less useful at higher levels of play. I could sort of see both Overwatch and Counter-Battery getting a scatter reduction...you shouldn't be sitting around under a warning symbol anyway, and Counter-Battery represents a full tree of dubious usefulness + disables barrages, sooo...

To be brutally honest the British are broken, the best thing to do would be to rebuild them from the ground up.  The whole sides a contradiction of fast/slow units and flexible/inflexible units.  The Commandos are a perfect example, very flexible unit that i love using but all the AT stuff needed to support them is inflexible (i don't count piat commandos mainly due to the fact they suck).  I mean why on earth they decided to include the Tetrarch tank rather than a glider born AT gun of some kind i'll never know ???.

One-eye wrote:
I mean why on earth they decided to include the Tetrarch tank rather than a glider born AT gun of some kind i'll never know ???.

Becouse there allready is an airborne AT gun. PIAT Commandos would be usefull at 2 CPs.

Paciat wrote:

One-eye wrote:
I mean why on earth they decided to include the Tetrarch tank rather than a glider born AT gun of some kind i'll never know ???.

Becouse there allready is an airborne AT gun. PIAT Commandos would be usefull at 2 CPs.

True but the British and Americans both basically get the same howitzers as well.  To be honest the commandos are still the best British doctrine by far.  The other two have so many flaws in the way they've been designed it just reinforces what i said about the British needing to be totally rebuilt.  :( Shame as well, British faction should be awesome.   

One-eye wrote:

Paciat wrote:
[quote author=One-eye link=topic=4416.msg45422#msg45422 date=1282836372]
I mean why on earth they decided to include the Tetrarch tank rather than a glider born AT gun of some kind i'll never know ???.

Becouse there allready is an airborne AT gun. PIAT Commandos would be usefull at 2 CPs.

True but the British and Americans both basically get the same howitzers as well.
You compared 25lbs that is not a doctrinal weapon, does 125dmg, has some great doctrinal abilities, cannot be sniped...
with a 105 that can be build after 5CPs, does 200dmg (250 at vet 3). Their different.

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To be honest the commandos are still the best British doctrine by far.  The other two have so many flaws in the way they've been designed it just reinforces what i said about the British needing to be totally rebuilt.  :( Shame as well, British faction should be awesome. 

Whats wrong with those doctrines?
I like the british becouse they have a different aproach to many things.
RE upgraded trucks give you extra resources so you can Flank Speed whenever you want and build Fireflies instead of calling an uber tank (but Croc should have a Cromwells gun and Pershings armor). Hull down is great and its a more usefull than allied war machine or blitzkrieg.
RA doctrine is great too. You can risk going arti but thats dangerous becouse of german counterattacks. Lts arti drops quickly but LT can be killed quickly too. Counterbattery is the only useless ability.

Royal engineers is the worst. Churchills are way over priced for what they can do. The only thing it has that is good is the one that shoots that demo charge. That tank is a real pak killer. Kills the gun and crew in one shot. I love that tank but I would never go RE in a real game. Maybe in a 4v4 but how often do you get in a game like that.

A churchill rush with infantry support can win you the game when played right. However, the churchills are dead weight past their initial impact. The AVRE is the most useful at all points in the game because it's the only one that actually kills shit. It's effective against AT guns and bunkers as well, which counters many Germans' endgame. RE also gives you a tonne of munis with nothing to spend them on. It also buffs emplacements which are pretty useless against anyone with a brain.

The only time I ever made RE work is in team games against at least one PE. You got to forget about the capt and armor truck. Tommys and sappers. build alot of emplacements for CP and mass mines. Problem with mass mines is that Sappers are usually to busy doing other stuff. You got to get CP fast for churchhill and AVR. Against double Wehr paks and gren spam will shred your churchills. I never had the guts to try it in 1v1 against Wehr. Hell, maybe ill try it, I don't care if I win or loose........ That's a lie, lol.

oh this gotta be a treasure for the "BritishFanboys" on the forum  ::)

GodlikeDennis wrote:
A churchill rush with infantry support can win you the game when played right. However, the churchills are dead weight past their initial impact. The AVRE is the most useful at all points in the game because it's the only one that actually kills shit. It's effective against AT guns and bunkers as well, which counters many Germans' endgame. RE also gives you a tonne of munis with nothing to spend them on. It also buffs emplacements which are pretty useless against anyone with a brain.

17 pounders are quite usefull as a second line of defence. When PE calls in a Panther Battlegroup and you still have only 1 Firefly. Extra HP to youre Casualty Clearing Station wont hurt eighter.

Churchills tank shock and mine plow are usefull in late game.
But noone should think that its an alternative to Cromwells in late game. It can scare off any tank that has a barrel shorter than 3m and clear mines and hedgerows while doing it. To me its a much better call in than a 4CP Hetzer or a 5CP StuH.
Ive posted this video once before but I love chewing german meat with its steel jaws. After Tank Shock the germans are so easy to kill. ;D
Churchill Mine Plow Micro

Last edited August 27, 2010 at 7:09 PM by Paciat

Snug wrote:
oh this gotta be a treasure for the "BritishFanboys" on the forum  ::)

That sounds a bit sarcastic. what kind of "fan boy" are you? That's all you have to contribute here; "a treasure for British fan boys"? Whats the point of that statement? I was just trying to pass along my experience in the game since I played it from the start in 2006. I'm no lv20 player, never will be, just cant think fast enough and I'm slow on the keyboard. If I'm a "fan boy" its USA and We hr. Rifle spam gets boring and so does Wehr. I like Brits and Soviets too. But hey, if coming in here and calling people "fan boys" floats your boat, go ahead.

Whats your problem? He was just trying to be funny, wow you people take stuff seriously.

Maybe I didnt find it funny, hell I dont need to help anyone, this is my last post here

QuoteAbhMkh

Well i will tell you the extent of my madness , I have had enough of this , I'm leaving this forum once and for all , I wont be posting again , I wont retaliate to the smart ass comments , I enjoyed EF very much


Au Revoir.....

Join the club. Your not the first to do that.

Seeme wrote:

QuoteAbhMkh

Well i will tell you the extent of my madness , I have had enough of this , I'm leaving this forum once and for all , I wont be posting again , I wont retaliate to the smart ass comments , I enjoyed EF very much


Au Revoir.....

Join the club. Your not the first to do that.

What did you do to him? ???

I hope devs continue to fix the brits in the next updates ;).

Lets just say he kinda over reacted...

blackbishop wrote:

What did you do to him? ???

I hope devs continue to fix the brits in the next updates ;).

That may have been my fault  ::).

Sonders wrote:

Snug wrote:
oh this gotta be a treasure for the "BritishFanboys" on the forum  ::)

That sounds a bit sarcastic. what kind of "fan boy" are you? That's all you have to contribute here; "a treasure for British fan boys"? Whats the point of that statement? I was just trying to pass along my experience in the game since I played it from the start in 2006. I'm no lv20 player, never will be, just cant think fast enough and I'm slow on the keyboard. If I'm a "fan boy" its USA and We hr. Rifle spam gets boring and so does Wehr. I like Brits and Soviets too. But hey, if coming in here and calling people "fan boys" floats your boat, go ahead.

Don't take it personally, I'm sure that was aimed at Paciat, AdmV0rl0n and Abhmkh. Only Paciat remains, which is fine by me as he's the only one I respect.

Back when commandos + fireflies or emplacement spam was all the rage, I actually just used the churchill + infantry to win. Tank shock is downright OP when combined with an infantry assault and mine plow crush like Paciat demonstrated. I believe it was nerfed somewhere along the line though, as was the churchill main gun. In lategame, the prelavence of Wehr AT weapons makes it too risky to plow so you are stuck with the shitty main gun. This is what makes them crap at scaling.

I'll agree with Paciat that it is better than a hetzer, but it's not better than a StuH. Plus the StuH is on the way to a REAL endgame tank.

Don't worry, that lack of any respect cuts both ways.

And while I don't post often, you can be assured that your continuing abusive comment has no effect on me, although its unfortunate others are forced to leave. Maybe you'd actually stick to some points and make some viable ones at it without name dropping, abuse aimed at others, and your general piss poor behaviour.

It would be nice to think that people can enjoy differing views and ideas on the game without resorting to abusive lines, and I am sure that ultimatly people are here because they like to lay the game, and like to play with and against others. At the end of the day, hacking someone off so they leave - is just one person less for everyone to play with/against.

Please stop the 'keyboard drama' everyone and stick to the topic.
Discuss the arguments not the individuals who post them.
If at the end of the day you don't agree with someone, agree to disagree and move on to discuss points other people make. Stop taking this so personal...its just a game

If you don't have something remotely useful to contribute in a thread, resist posting spam.

Cheers