Please make the Russian pak cloak.......

I really think this is needed guys.  Sure the americans dont have a cloaking AT gun, but the fact that you cannot recrew the pak for the russians, puts u at an extreme disadvantage.. IF the pack could just cloak similar to the whers pak, maybe even reduce the damage a little, it would keep the pak from getting killed by infantry so easliy when you retreat your soviets.

Never let your PAK alone and don't use it as Rambo, then your PAK will survive.

I agree, but if i make a mistake unlike every other faction, i cant recrew. Having it cloaked would lessen that chance of it getting destryoed before it fires of at least one shot.

I think the Russian ZIS-2 is already powerful enough (shooting range and power strokes) without
addition of the ability of camouflage.

Well why don't we let it camo but not give it a first strike bonus. That would make it more survivable, but not destroy everything in one shot (except things it automaticaly destroies in one shot)

i agree the russian pak is quite easy to eliminate with wehr grenadiers which are vetted 3 despite that i think we should lower its stats and add the cloaking ability giving it extra survivability(also imagine an ambush of tank hunters and zis pak)
;D

Last edited August 11, 2010 at 9:06 PM by nickpol15

Nice idea...it would increase its survivalability, but then it should be slightly nerfed...maybe damage and/or accuracy. Maybe we should wait for the new model which Devs stated it should be out in near future and that one perhaps could have that cloak ability.

I don't agree with a cloak ability for AT guns at all. First of all, the Germans have it because of an abundance of allied arty that makes them die rather quickly. Second, they're just not good for gameplay.

I'm also quite sure that first strike bonuses can't apply when the unit doesn't cloak.

Yeah agreed its not required , Zis-2 can beat the hell out of German armor even without the cloaking ability

GodlikeDennis wrote:
I don't agree with a cloak ability for AT guns at all. First of all, the Germans have it because of an abundance of allied arty that makes them die rather quickly.

Forgot about Wechrmacht firestorm, V1, defensine arti, rocket arti, walking stukas, nebels, mortats and oficer arti?
No fraction has more arti than the germans.

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Second, they're just not good for gameplay.

Hate cloacking PAKs. Its good that they were nerfed.
With the no recrew bug 4 man crew and defensive bonuses are the best things that can happen to Soviets. They dont need cloacking.

Last edited August 12, 2010 at 9:34 PM by Paciat

Yes Wehrmacht have a lot of artillery variety. But this arty is less accessible than allied arty. Brit 25lbers, while needing a buff are non-doctrinal and since most Brits go arty doctrine, Priests may as well be. The majority of American players go infantry who makes use of an excellent howitzer and also a call-in ability that is extremely useful in most situations (they also float quite a bit of munis, unlike wehr). Armour doctrine, who pretty much is always RHS first, gets the best artillery in the game in calliopes.

Wehr has to spend many munitions on their units and can use less call-in strikes as a result. Stukas are also very expensive in a 1v1 and nebels are T3 only and very vulnerable to counter arty. Officers are very rarely used as well.

I'm not trying to justify wehr having an AT gun that can cloak, as I've already said it's a stupid idea. However, this is the way I believe Relic justifies it, as well as Wehrmacht being defensively oriented and this fits in with that idea.

PS. The correct term is faction not "fraction".

Why does everything from a shoe to an artillery piece seem overpowered to you?? :P

The Pak WAS overpowered, everyone knows that. I'm also pretty sure I didn't mention the word overpowered in that post. What are you getting at?

To be fair both nebel and Stuka aren't true artillery in the sense that they have small damage vs infantry and next to non vs tanks. Where as any allied artillery shot will obliderate full health vet3 squads with a single hit and do severe damage to any vehicle...

No cloaking for the soviet Zis because...to be fair the WH has that ability which makes the Pak unique.
The soviet zis is rather cheap and unlike other guns can get an upgrade that makes it more survivable against anything other than direct arty shots...It deploys and redeploys very fast with a 4 man crew
Damage wise although not like a 57mm, it still penetrates german vehicles more reliably non the less.

@AbhMkh
I can sense a little of hostility towards GodlikeDennis... Did he beat you so badly on a match?

@Zerstörer
:O!!! I was expecting an answer like that... I don't know why the ZiS-2 should have camo...

No hostility toward him , and he didn't beat me in any match ;)

I too agree the fact that Zis-2 doesn't need a cloak ability
, it can penetrate armor pretty well


@ GDL - Keep it up ;)

Been awhile since i played but when i did i never used the Soviet AT gun because it cant be re-crewed. If it could cloak like the pak i would use it. guess i better check out the change log and download the new patch. Hope you didn't change my beloved tank hunters.

Uh Oh.