20 mm Cannons

Is there a Difference between the 20 mm rapid firing cannons of the Wirblewind , m3 Quad and he DPshk's of the T-90 , Flakverling emplacement?


The wirblewind I have noticed gives "Rear Armor Hits" to Tanks!!! :o

Whereas the others dont , so whats the difference , all of them use the 20 mm AA guns ???

well, 20mm canon is 20mm canon, but M3 quad has 0.50 cal ( ~1.25 mm) MG, same T-90.

.50 cal is about 12.7mm, not 1.25

sorry, I put dot in wrong place  :-X

Pumas and Scout cars can actually damage the front armour of an SU85 consistently ;) Funny, but true...

And yet my Tiger bounced off at some point. I lost to Sandland because an SU-85 killed two Stugs and two Tigers. You might wanna tone down their damage slightly.

For Gods sake , GodLikeDennis every unit in the russians is not OP!!

Did I say every unit is overpowered? No. That would be why the majority of my tourney games I opted to play Wehr. However, this unit in particular was a significant part of my loss to Sandland, who ended up in the final. They simply destroy Stugs far too easily and do only slightly too much damage to Tigers.

I'm sorry to say this , but what you seem to say is


"I'm so scared of the russians , nerf all of those bastards"

I'm sorry but this what you appear to say..........

The SU-85 is just fine , no issues with it or the  su-100 , try using GWagon against them

I have actually tested the GWagon against them thank you very much, and they lose horribly (as they should against a more expensive ~T4 tank destroyer). I should not be forced into choosing a replacement unit either (we only recently corrected this). My point is that Stugs can't even penetrate them while die in three quick hits themselves. This is perhaps too one sided. Tigers are also damaged considerably and reliably, so I argue that their damage or penetration needs toning down slightly.

AbhMkh wrote:
I'm sorry to say this , but what you seem to say is

"I'm so scared of the russians , nerf all of those bastards"

I'm sorry but this what you appear to say..........

If you think all my posts say this you should learn to read a bit better mate.

The Su-85 is a specialized role "Tank Destroyer" , with sloping frontal armor , what else do you expect from it

And I don't say this about every post , you are free to suggest anything you want to , off lately you are beginning to sound like that 

note : so are you in for the commonwealth games??

GodlikeDennis wrote:
Did I say every unit is overpowered? No. That would be why the majority of my tourney games I opted to play Wehr. However, this unit in particular was a significant part of my loss to Sandland, who ended up in the final. They simply destroy Stugs far too easily and do only slightly too much damage to Tigers.

To be fair, I watched that replay...like I watched many others for balance and that wasn't exactly the case.

The first stug was at half health and the SU got the 1st shot off and then finished it off gaining vet.
You only got 1 shot at it.

The second stug, once again wasted 3 shots on the infantry and only fired 1 shot at the SU (which was lucky to deflect yes)

The first tiger never targeted it, always shooting at the infantry instead(vet2 SU at the time). Took 6 hits plus AT rifle shots + rockets

The second tiger once again didn't target the now vet3 SU until it had been shot 5 times(plus AT rifles). The tiger shot didn't bounce off, it took it down to almost half health and was finished off by the tankhunters.

Its not all that different to facing fireflies. With 350 points its easy to kill, you just never shot it enough to be honest...plus you never got vet1 for vehicles which would have made all the difference.
Plus...you went Tier1-2-3 but didn't get a single pak??

I don't really believe its OP but as always, we'll be examining the results further

Last edited August 10, 2010 at 6:15 PM by Zerstörer

Yes, going T1-2-3 was my biggest failing of that match. My normal strat was T1-2-4 with panther first to deal with armour but I though I could get pumas out and dominate the field since he was support barracks at the time. I said the Su was a contributing factor, not the main reason.

To be fair as well, the Su also got extremely lucky in avoiding my stormtroopers. The shrek dance is such a pain. With it's low health I could've killed it very quickly had they hit. The thing is, it's similar in combat ability to a firefly (with less health and slightly better armour) yet costs a fair bit less to get.

Out of curiosity, what is their armour type? Stug? Hetzer? I still think they do slightly too much damage as well.

Russian  "PANZER JAGER"

GodlikeDennis wrote:
Yes, going T1-2-3 was my biggest failing of that match. My normal strat was T1-2-4 with panther first to deal with armour but I though I could get pumas out and dominate the field since he was support barracks at the time. I said the Su was a contributing factor, not the main reason.

To be fair as well, the Su also got extremely lucky in avoiding my stormtroopers. The shrek dance is such a pain. With it's low health I could've killed it very quickly had they hit. The thing is, it's similar in combat ability to a firefly (with less health and slightly better armour) yet costs a fair bit less to get.

Out of curiosity, what is their armour type? Stug? Hetzer? I still think they do slightly too much damage as well.

The armour type is 'hetzer'. the thing about the armour types however is that the german guns tend to be better against them than allied ones. A panther/tiger/Pak will practically autopenetrate and takes 3 hits to kill an SU. That's the reason they do alot of damage because they are expensive glass cannons. 1v1 if you push against them with another tank you'll win. SU-85 does 137.5 damage as standard-same as panther/tiger while the SU-100 does 150