Best Machine-GUn of WW2? (As a GPMG)

was produced AFTEr the germans soo what happend on greece, first used mid-war in the commando raid to rescue Benito Mousolini.

Am thinking of the lastest version with improved sights, sorry if I added any confusion.

Luckily, the Germans commonly included (like most countries did) the design year in the full description of weapons, so there shouldn't be much confusion about the right years.

Very little information about mass prodused MGs


MG42
Rate of fire
800-1500
Range
1000m
bullet speed
730-740m/s


M2 browning
ROF
450-600
Range
1800
Bullet speed
855=895


DSHK
ROF
600
Range
3500m
Bullet speed
850-870


Goryunov MG
ROF
500-700
Range
2500
Bullet speed
800


Maksim
ROF
300
Range
2700
Bullet speed
800-865



DP
ROF
600
Range
(effective) 800-900
Bullet speed
840

Last edited September 29, 2010 at 5:46 AM by Sturmovik

Where did you get the range stats?
Dou you really belive that MG 42 had less than 3 times range of the DSHK?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't DshK intended to serve as Anti-Aircraft machine-gun? For that purpose you need a very long effective range to be efficient at least at low altitude.

Maybe, but it does seem strange that all the Russian MGs have further ranges than the other guns, especially considering the poster.

DSHK manual & constructors book & 12,5mm MG manual

altitude maximum 2500m
sighting distance 3500m
Ammo 12,7х108 мм
rate of fire (maximum) 600 sh/s
battle rate of fire 125 sh/s

Armor pearsing ammo can penetrate (B-30)
500 m - Steel of 16mm
100 m - Steel of 20mm

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DS-39 (1939 PRODUSED)

sighting distance with heavy bullet 3000m
sighting distance with light bullet 2500m
Ammo 7,62х54 мм
rate of fire (maximum) 600-1200 sh/s
battle rate of fire 300 sh/s

Last edited September 29, 2010 at 12:53 PM by Sturmovik

What i've been wanting to know since the beginning of coh.. why do the americans have the watercooled m1917 in coh instead of the aircooled m1919? wasn't the m1919 used more often? and much more known than the m1917..?

m1917 was used heavily just as much as the M1919A6, but i see your point.

SK8ERatWAR wrote:
What i've been wanting to know since the beginning of coh.. why do the americans have the watercooled m1917 in coh instead of the aircooled m1919? wasn't the m1919 used more often? and much more known than the m1917..?

Can be ... Water cooled Browning was used during first battles of war ... mostly on the Pacific theater. Firdt battles was the most memorized ... i think. That's why ...
Later models is marked with ... machine & armor placed mostly ... Thats periods of war was most memorized for Amy's machine of war for programmers & advisors.

It's logical series.

yeah but coh is placed in 1944..

You could really ask that question for a LOT of things on CoH.

Why the Schwimmwagen instead of the much more common Kubelwagen?

They chose the Schwimmwagen, yet it can't even swim through the water. The Kubelwagen would have been a more logical choice.

Last edited September 29, 2010 at 11:03 PM by Mr. Someguy

Mr. wrote:
You could really ask that question for a LOT of things on CoH.

Why the Schwimmwagen instead of the much more common Kubelwagen?

I think the answer to that question is the same that "why the pershing?" or "why the bergetiger?".

Exactly. Just because they thought it was cool, or they liked it, or they wanted to. :P

Mr. wrote:
They chose the Schwimmwagen, yet it can't even swim through the water.

Schwimm moves thru shallow water with 0,8 of its normal speed. Most vechicles slow down to 0,3 of their normal speed.

I still would want the Kubelwagon better... I love its name!

ohyeah, stupid me, stupid question xD
i actually would've loved the m1919, i think it's a much better looking gun

There's a model and animation for it ingame, i think the M1919A6 was designed in the early concept for a upgrade for the airborne, but they choose the awesome M18 Recoiless rifle instead and dumped the '1919.

oh rly? is there mod that has incorporated it?

Battle o' The Bulge.

Paciat wrote:Schwimm moves thru shallow water with 0,8 of its normal speed. Most vechicles slow down to 0,3 of their normal speed.

True, but they could have just used the Kubelwagen and had the same result, due to the Kubelwagen's flat underbelly. It would also make sense due to the fact that the Kubelwagen cannot go float in deep water while the Schwimm can.

Newbie. wrote:There's a model and animation for it ingame, i think the M1919A6 was designed in the early concept for a upgrade for the airborne, but they choose the awesome M18 Recoiless rifle instead and dumped the '1919.

Man, that would have been neat to have. They should make it available as an upgrade for those who's purchased BAR's. That would be pretty cool.

Mr. wrote:

Newbie. wrote:There's a model and animation for it ingame, i think the M1919A6 was designed in the early concept for a upgrade for the airborne, but they choose the awesome M18 Recoiless rifle instead and dumped the '1919.

Man, that would have been neat to have. They should make it available as an upgrade for those who's purchased BAR's. That would be pretty cool.

It would be cool, but I think quite OP as well. But thats just my opinion.

BK mod has the 1919A6 aswell , it comes as a rifle upgrade. ( volks get an MG34 ;) )

I cant vote for some strange reason but my vote goes for others. ^^

And then I would say the russian RPD. Fires the great 7.62x39mm caliber and simpel design ^^


Edit: Now I voted for others :3

Last edited April 9, 2011 at 2:35 PM by Sommarkatze

Newbie. wrote:
Battle o' The Bulge.

yeah there's an icon, but have you ever zoomed in on that squad?
it's a mg42 model..

It's not.. I've zoomed in, It's Cleary a '1919. You patched up?

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Last edited October 3, 2010 at 9:15 PM by Newbie.

Sk8tr , Ive had a similiar issue with BK , they added the MG34 and 1919 , when your settings are low they overla , giving it an MG 34/1919 look with a quad stand. It should fix if you increase your graphic settings.

Hmm, true, when i'm on low, the 1919 doesn't even appear (Same with DP-28)

High range of the soviet MG,s ...

Most MG's of the Soviet army have been ordered by the RKKA command for the designer bureau for the multiple perpose ...
Anti-aircraft capability, high fire support capability, using for the defence & attack perpose to pinned down & other.

Maxim MG have been modified in 1930 years ... during war maxin have been easily used for AA, anti-infantry ...


Maxim MG modified ...


Degtyarev MG ... have been used AA, AI, & via aircraft turret ...

Infantry ...

Aircraft turret modification ...


DSHK
AA using

Armoring Train MG AA installation

Infantry platoon crew weapon


For that perposes soviet MGs must have a wide range first ... most of them must have lightweight, because mechanased, tank, infantry battalions must have easy carried AA & other installations & others.

Last edited October 4, 2010 at 1:18 PM by Sturmovik

Newbie. wrote:
It's not.. I've zoomed in, It's Cleary a '1919. You patched up?

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yeah i patched up.. but i will try what akalanor said.. i don't really have a good computer, so i hope it'll be without too much framedrop..
otherwise i'll just have to live with a mg42 instead of m1919 :P

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Akalonor wrote:
Sk8tr , Ive had a similiar issue with BK , they added the MG34 and 1919 , when your settings are low they overla , giving it an MG 34/1919 look with a quad stand. It should fix if you increase your graphic settings.

thank you my man, it worked!

Last edited October 5, 2010 at 2:06 PM by SK8ERatWAR

If someone could hold those two guns and fire them both..

Stop watching Rambo :P
Rambo would easily get killed by the German Stormtroopers of WWII.

You would be easily kill if a child found a rock...

why don't you try that out?
find a rock!  ;D

Ahem , B1 battle droids have blastere  rifles :P and OOM-9 was an AAT commander , so enjoy napalm missles !

Thanks for the completely irrelevant star wars info lol.

not many people like real star wars these days, not that cartoon crap , but real star wars ;( it saddens me.
BTT
Are there any standing arguements that the MG42 is not the best when compared to those listed?

Akalonor wrote:
Are there any standing arguements that the MG42 is not the best when compared to those listed?

<crickets chirping>

Werwolf wrote:

Akalonor wrote:
Are there any standing arguements that the MG42 is not the best when compared to those listed?

<crickets chirping>

+1

Me, .50 call is way better, it could blow up light tanks.

Played Day of Defeat:Source today for the first time in 2 years and remembered the awesomeness of MG42s. In other news, exams suck.

Yes I'm bored.

Im the only one I know without Call of Duty Black ops  D:
@Seeme, What happens when the infantry wave comes ? Thats right , you die from low RoF

Akalonor wrote:
Im the only one I know without Call of Duty Black ops  D:

I don't have it either :P
yet.. ^^
but seeing the footage put up yesterday, it seems it will be a noob, camp, knife fest.. so i don't know if it's even worth buying.. better play coh or battlefield bad company 2 Vietnam when it comes out =D

Its just going to be another Modern Warfare with some new cheesy features to steal no-lifers money because they beat the other games 100 million times.

I'm gonna buy it after exams. I'm hoping it's a return to the quality of WaW and CoD4 and not a disgusting piece of shit like MW2.

SK8ERatWAR wrote:

Akalonor wrote:
Im the only one I know without Call of Duty Black ops  D:

I don't have it either :P
yet.. ^^
but seeing the footage put up yesterday, it seems it will be a noob, camp, knife fest.. so i don't know if it's even worth buying.. better play coh or battlefield bad company 2 Vietnam when it comes out =D

I dont have it either ^^"
Like GodlikeDennis I have exams and I want to have something really fun to play, not like MW2. And anyway, I am now playing RO for a while, which is incredibly funnier than COD. I am waiting for RO2, hope its not a crap casual game for playstation and others xbox...

I want to Get RO, but I don't know where to get it.

Anyway we are going off-topic and blackbishop loves closing things like this.

Seeme wrote:
I want to Get RO, but I don't know where to get it.

Anyway we are going off-topic and blackbishop loves closing things like this.

You can find it on Steam at 9.99 € at the moment.
I also play at RO...c u online  :D

SORRY FOR OT

RO is probably the best Shooter around right now. Nice mix of Realism and gameplay.