Best AT gun of WW2

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Pak40, definitely.
41-45 able to defeat the frontal armour of 90% of its opponents at normal to long combat ranges. Small enough to deploy/redeploy and conceal without too much trouble. Simple enough to manufacture and maintain.  Often misreported as an 88 by troops that came under fire in Normandy as it went straight through the shermans just like the 88s in the desert

Zerstörer wrote:
Pak40, definitely.
41-45 able to defeat the frontal armour of 90% of its opponents at normal to long combat ranges. Small enough to deploy/redeploy and conceal without too much trouble. Simple enough to manufacture and maintain.  Often misreported as an 88 by troops that came under fire in Normandy as it went straight through the shermans just like the 88s in the desert

+1

88mm is started as Anti-aircraft gun and only later was employed as anti-tank.
Also British 17 pounder was a good AT.

I have to go with the British 6-Pounder, Could Penitrate ALL Italian tanks and Most German tanks, Panzer1-PanzerIV, in Africa, was a feared weapon.

Newbie. wrote:
I have to go with the British 6-Pounder, Could Penitrate ALL Italian tanks and Most German tanks, Panzer1-PanzerIV, in Africa, was a feared weapon.

Did not take long to perforate the armor of our tanks; it were the worst of the WW2. :(
I save only the 75-18 and 105-25 Bassotto (Dachsl).
With the other tanks (L6/40, M13-40, FIAT Armoured Cars 41),  you could pierce with the tip of a pen. ;D

Pak43 88mm. The best use of it was shown in King Tigers, Jagdpanthers, Elefants and Nashorns.

I'm assuming we're talking about Towed AT guns....And its about overall usefulness/performance not just penetration/damage. Towed Pak43 was a big fail and 17prd was too big/heavy as towed ATG....which is why you neber saw the Panther gun made into an ATG

ZiS-3.
It shown its worth at Kursk, Germans useg it on Marders, more than 14000 SU-76 were build. But all 75 and 3inch AT guns were great at that time.

Yes we are talking about towed AT guns, i forgot to mention the parameters this time

mobility
rate of fire
AP
range
size
ease of deployment


Some of the guns u guys are talking about werent used as towed guns at all

Another "Best of" poll...

Soon we'll have a thread titled "Best shoelaces of WW2".

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How abt "best of toilets"

AbhMkh wrote:
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How abt "best of toilets"

The Pacific Used American Khaki Toiliet Box!

I choose the 88. It was very long ranged, had a nice rate of fire, killer anti-tank, but not so good on mobility. Can also be changed to fight aircraft. It was used in many famous battles, D-Day, Market Garden, basically all of them.

They also were so good they went on Germany's heavy tanks, and I know you people like tigers ;).

So that's my choice. Range is very very important factor for a at gun. If you see the enemy first, its a good chance your win.

The flak 36 88mm cannon isn't the gun mounted on tanks. It is a different design and they just shoot the same size projectile.

GodlikeDennis wrote:
The flak 36 88mm cannon isn't the gun mounted on tanks. It is a different design and they just shoot the same size projectile.

The PaK 43, right?

It was still a flak 88 ;)

KwK 43 i think..

Seeme wrote:
It was still a flak 88 ;)

No, it wasn't. It was still 88mm but not a flak cannon. Just like the 75mms on the Panzer 4 and Panther are different.

the 88 +1

the first counter available against T-34

Why Flak88 is on list?
Actually, AT capability is optional opportunity, defying by weak armour piarsing state army models.
And for not profecional lines of sights, technical data must be wroted.
My opinion.

The flak was a wonderful AT weapon! It could also be a AA gun or Arty. It was made to shoot airplanes high in the air, how can it have bad Pen??

Seeme wrote:
The flak was a wonderful AT weapon! It could also be a AA gun or Arty. It was made to shoot airplanes high in the air, how can it have bad Pen??

A plane's armor is weaker than a tank one. But certainly Seeme is correct.

Yea the Amour is weaker, but at such speed the shell is fired at makes it strong.

Ununderstand ... as usual. OK

blackbishop wrote:

Seeme wrote:
The flak was a wonderful AT weapon! It could also be a AA gun or Arty. It was made to shoot airplanes high in the air, how can it have bad Pen??

A plane's armor is weaker than a tank one. But certainly Seeme is correct.

You need to fire the shell +5km upwards to reach a plane, while you shooot at tanks 2km away max.

Paciat wrote:

blackbishop wrote:

Seeme wrote:
The flak was a wonderful AT weapon! It could also be a AA gun or Arty. It was made to shoot airplanes high in the air, how can it have bad Pen??

A plane's armor is weaker than a tank one. But certainly Seeme is correct.

You need to fire the shell +5km upwards to reach a plane, while you shooot at tanks 2km away max.

That's interesting :).

Seeme wrote:
Yea the Amour is weaker, but at such speed the shell is fired at makes it strong.

Yeah, but besides the speed also the gravity force takes it's toll.

Sturmovik wrote:
Ununderstand ... as usual. OK

... lol?

If i'm 100% Honest, the Italians had the best AT/AA Gun. the 90mm...

BS-3 100mm GUN (NAVY gun B-34 by Grabin adaptation)



Range (m)        60 degree armor (mm)    90 degree armour (mm)
BR-412
500                  125                                    155
1500                95                                      116
3000                60                                      75
BR-412B
500                  130                                    162
1500                110                                      135
3000                85                                      105
BR-412D
500                  150                                      200
1500                130                                      170
3000                100                                      125

BК5М                30 degree                              90 degree
                        180mm at any distance            360mm at any distance

hehe, i remember making the maginot line with them in the Blitzkrieg mod for C&C Generals.

:) This thing makes the big breach on the board of the Panther.

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2. Balaton operation King Tiger after "PAK-front" defence trap

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3. Panther ... distressing sight

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4. PAK-front make it hard ...

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5. German Nazi knows about Russian PAK-front defence elements...

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6. This tank crew is have not chance to rescue ...

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Last edited September 27, 2010 at 4:46 PM by Sturmovik

Sturmovik must live next to a tank museum, god.

Sturmovik is a walking tank museum.

88mm all the way , (there were multiple Flaks with 8,8 , saying Flak 88 isnt very accurate.)

Last edited October 1, 2010 at 11:21 PM by Akalonor

Well, my hobby is tactics, strategy ... & geopolitics some a little.
Without a geographic, well known technics & weapons data ...
It's easy to understand.