Best Tank Destroyer

With the introduction of the Russian faction i was wondering which faction has the best tank destroyer!!!!!

Here are the evaluation parameters..

1. Cost
2.Armor
3.Damage
4.Range
5.Speed
6.Line Of Sight
7.Rate of firing
8.Damage vs infantry

Here are the potential canidates(ill start with the americans and end with PE)

Allied
1. m10
2. m18
3  m26
4 . Sherman Firefly
5 su85
6 su 100
7 is 2
8. isu-152
9. t-34/85

Axis

1.Panther
2.Tiger
3. Tiger-2 or KT
4. geshutchwagon
5 marder-3
6 hetzer
7 jagdpanther

(The Germans had a few more like the nashorn and the elefant tank,since they are not in the game im not considering them)


My vote goes to the "Sherman Firefly"

Whts your pick????

I would vote for the SU-100, with its 100mm guns  ;D

But why did you put T-34/85, IS-2 and M26 pershing? These are battle-tanks, not tank destroyer  ???

storm squad with double shrecks  ;)
And Jagdpanther, of course - veted 3x deffensive

Several of those aren't strictly tank destroyers, the Stug assault gun belongs on the list more than a tiger for instance.

My vote goes for the SU-100. Cheap, low teching cost, extremely damaging, fast and looks cool. If we aren't sticking purely to tank destroyers but expanding to AT tanks as well, I would say the panther. Excellent damage and accuracy, front armour, fast speed and acceleration and ~60% chance to hit infantry (much better than most other AT weapons).

You should've made an actual poll so we can see the results easier.

When i say the best tank destroyer it has to economical as well

su-100 is a damn god tank destroyer but it cant be produced in large nos as its very expensive  & i put m26 and t34/85 cuz these are excel at all roles

as to the jagdpanther i wouldnt vote for it at all its too damn expensive!!!!!!!!!!!

we are talkin about vehicles only


I choose Sherman Firefly because its the only tank besides the marder tht can fire without being fired upon(its powerful 17 pounder is the bane of tanks)!!! and its economical as well
u can produce considerable no of fireflies


by the best i mean excelling on all the parameters ive mentioned!!!

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"You should've made an actual poll so we can see the results easier."



Then perhaps you could make a poll???

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panther doesnt have the range and is too expensive

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By tank destroyers i mean the tanks strictly meant for anti tank role(multipurpose tanks can be included only if they have the required guns like t34/85-85mm gun, persinh-90 mm gun etc)

Stug is not a tank destroyer its 75 mm gun is too weak

Last edited July 2, 2010 at 9:25 AM by AbhMkh

SU-100 is cheaper than a firefly.

Panther may be expensive but does have good range.

Firefly is complete rubbish against infantry and gets destroyed very quickly by infanty AT or AT guns. Jadgpanther would be the best tank destroyer without a doubt if we were talking real life. The limit of 1 puts it out of this contest though.

GodlikeDennis wrote:
SU-100 is cheaper than a firefly.

Panther may be expensive but does have good range.

Firefly is complete rubbish against infantry and gets destroyed very quickly by infanty AT or AT guns. Jadgpanther would be the best tank destroyer without a doubt if we were talking real life. The limit of 1 puts it out of this contest though.

Firefly is almost useless without the command tank. It fires every 10 seconds without the command tank and every 6 seconds with command tank. That's a huge difference. Fire rate increases as command tank gets vet, also range I think.

Yay! It goes from a terrible tank to a bad tank!

Jagdpanther is by far the best AT unit and will remain that way.
Panther/Firefly/IS2/SU100 are the runner ups all being very close overall...Geschutz is OP atm...but is gonna get a nice balance change  soon :P

M-10.
It can circlestrafe any tank, squish any infantry, is faster and has twice as more armor penetration and twice as more accuracy vs infantry than Hellcat.

Firefly is my second best.
It will destroy anything lesser than a Panther and its high fuel cost isnt that important when you have a truck on a Fuel point. Upgraded engineer trucks (doctrinal) make even more Fuel so for every Tiger called in UK can have 2 Fireflies with over repair and hull down.
Marders and Gwagons have better gun range but lower spotting range so its the Firefly who usually fires first. Also Firefly has a turret so its easy to fire on the move. Marders and Gwagons are easy prey to light tanks.
Only APCR Jagdpanther has better armor penetration than 17lbs (both 17lbs emplacement and Firefly have the same gun penetration stats vs tanks).

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AbhMkh wrote:
Stug is not a tank destroyer its 75 mm gun is too weak

Its gun vs tanks and frontal armor is better than PzIV.
It has 1.25dmg modifier vs M-10 and 1.5 vs a Sherman. Vet 1 Stug is equal to a Churchill.
If Hetzer can be called a tank destroyer so can be Stug.

Last edited July 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM by Paciat

Its so funny how paciat is sooooo bias with the Brits

Oh, and you're definatly not biased in anything :P

Wow nuke, not too tolerant of Seeme today are we? I agree the firefly is a strong contender but in my opinion the hp/armour lets it down. Panther is more expensive but also much better. The firefly is actually kinda slow too, just has really good acceleration which makes it easy to kite with. M10 is way out of this in my opinion, far too fragile. It may be fast and cheap but a good player will never let you circlestrafe and you will smash him in a slugfest with almost any tank.

Dude u ant use any of the allied tank destroyers against a blob of those annoying stugs except the Sherman firefly

M10 and M18 are very fragile they don't stand a chance against anything heavier than a stug


As to to firing rate all of you must be knowing that firefly gets a reloading bonus at range(its firing speed is to poor at close ranges,even with command tank)

firefly can fire at ranges which only the marder and AT guns
can fire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I Agree they are expensive but I WAS HOPING THT COH DEVELOPERS IN TOV WOULD REPLACE IT WITH AN M10 ACHILLES SP WITH A COST OF AROUND 320 MP AND 60 FUEL

BUT THEY DIDNT , IT WOULD DISTURB THE BALANCE, INFACT A 17 POUNDER IS SO DEADLY THT A MOBILE ONE WOULD KNOCK OUT GERMAN ARMOR LIKE DUCKS I REALLY WOULD LIKE THE ACHILLES IN THE GAME


AND PACIAT STUG IS NOT A TANK DESTROYER AT ALL(IF ONE DOESNT SEE HISTORICALLY) ITS RELOADING TIME IS 7 SEC

AND FRONTAL ARMOR PENETRATION IS SHIT!!!


WHOEVER SAYS THT HETZER ISNT A TANK DESTROYER IS REALLY ****** OR THE PERSON HASNT PLAYED WITH PANZER ELITE

JAGDPANTHER IS A GOOD ONE BUT IT IS OUT OF OF THE CONTEST DUE TO THE HARD CAP AND THE PRICE!!!!

Your caps lock is broken.

Jadgs are well worth their cost. Though you're right that the hardcap puts them out. Stug IS a tank destroyer. It beats shermans 1v1 and is much MUCH cheaper. Don't be hatin' on Paciat. He may be incredibly Brit biased but he's a smart knowledgable guy.

Stug is only really good vs 'sherman armour' because it gets 1.5 damage modifier against it + good penetration making it almost as damaging as a panther gun 131.25 vs 137.5 (same reload 7 btw!)

AbhMkh wrote:
M10 and M18 are very fragile they don't stand a chance against anything heavier than a stug

M-18s are sh** after they decloack. M-10s on the other hand are faster have more armor penetration and have better vet bonuses.
M10 Tank Destroyer :Propaganda Film

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I Agree they are expensive but I WAS HOPING THT COH DEVELOPERS IN TOV WOULD REPLACE IT WITH AN M10 ACHILLES SP WITH A COST OF AROUND 320 MP AND 60 FUEL

Archer is better. It shoots backwards.  8)

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AND PACIAT STUG IS NOT A TANK DESTROYER AT ALL(IF ONE DOESNT SEE HISTORICALLY) ITS RELOADING TIME IS 7 SEC

AND FRONTAL ARMOR PENETRATION IS SHIT!!!

Its the same as Marders without lockdown and Gwagons.  :P
Also historically a random stug on the eastern front usually destroyed 3 tanks before it was lost.

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WHOEVER SAYS THT HETZER ISNT A TANK DESTROYER IS REALLY ****** OR THE PERSON HASNT PLAYED WITH PANZER ELITE

Hetzer is similar to vet 2 stug. Everyone knows that.

Last edited July 3, 2010 at 3:03 PM by Paciat

Do You mean "Best tank buster of GAME" or in Real?

70% of all destroyed German tanks on Eastern Front were destroyed by ARTILLERY. 53-K (and later M-42), F-22, ZiS-2, ZiS-3... Only 15% goes to tsoviet tank crews, 5% were victims of aviation, and 10 % fell on MINES.

Were you guessing? Its very wrong, but a good guess.

If one considers history then the stug assault gun series destroyed more tanks then rest of the German armor , however

"We are considering the game here"

And guys i have made a poll regarding tank destroyers,do vote in it!!!

GodlikeDennis wrote:
Wow nuke, not too tolerant of Seeme today are we?

Sorry god.

And Paciat the archer was built on a valentine tank chassis which was obsolete and very weak!!!

Why isnt the JagdPanther in there?? D:

But my vote would definitely go -hands down- to the GeschutzWagon

-Supression ability with MG (When purchased)
-Kills Shermans in 2-3 hits
-Decent armor & fantastic damage
-Moderately fast
-Ability to fire extremely fast
-Great distance
-Almost 100% penetration chance
-Cost effective.....definitely worth the money
-Once you get 2-3 of them, and support them, its very hard for the Allies to accomplish ANYTHING with Armor.

Mon Ami gwagons have avery poor los fireflies can own any of the german armor if given anti infantary support , gwagon cannot match the range and penetration of the 17 pounder on the firefly!!!!!!

You have valuable points, BUT the Firefly costs 50 more fuel than the GWagon, and the fire rate doesnt match the GWagon's....especially when the GWagon has the FireRate ability. The Firefly would still die in 2-3 hits from a Gwagon too.

I would say the gwagon is out of the running because it is currently an imbalanced unit and in many's opinions' needs immediate nerfing. I believe this will probably be addressed in the next EF patch. I do agree that it is an excellent AT unit though, LoS doesn't matter if they're supported (ie. used properly). Their vet 3 bonus is monstrous, they do disgusting damage (with massive range), are cheaper than the stug they replace and are decent against infantry as well. Weakness would be the low health/marder armour and no turret.

Gwagon is basically made on the hotchkiss chassis(the most useless tank of the game),& its knocked out pretty fast from AT guns and it takes a loooooooooooong time to build...... , however to the firefly vs the gwagon the firefly will win comfortably due its looooooooong range(we should actually try it out in the simulator)....

And Paciat I wasn't trying to offend you in anyway ;)

AbhMkh wrote:
And Paciat the archer was built on a valentine tank chassis which was obsolete and very weak!!!

Valentines were called Montys (Montgomeries) Staghounds becouse they chased Romels troops across N. Arfica.
Armored allmost as good as the Matilda II (a small tank with more armor than a T-34) they were upgunned to 6lbs.
Valentines can be compared to PzIII.

Archer was a better tank destroyer than Achilles - it had a lower profile. If you want a tank destroyer with lots of armor get a real tank!

The varity of british tanks is pretty cool.. maybe we will get a reward unit for the firefly for example or one of the churchill call-in tanks.


But the best tank destroyer is surely the jagdpanther or the Gwagen - i agree.

Venoxxis wrote:
The varity of british tanks is pretty cool.. maybe we will get a reward unit for the firefly for example or one of the churchill call-in tanks.

The Firefly will indeed have a reward unit, it will be the Comet tank

nooooooo!!!!

Wait, I meant "yay"

OHH!!!!! i like the idea of the reward unit as the comet.

@Paciat the number of archers produced were only 400 hence they cant be included as a standard tank but the achilles was produced in large numbers hence it can qualify as a tank which can be produced from the armor hq!!!!!!!!!

BTW I was wondering "how old are the developers of the COHEF"????

How long they been working on ef- 4 years. (I only been here for 4 mouths!).

They are in there late teens and early 20s.

WHat ever you were asking.

Lemme ask does developing mods in coh require some kinof special training???

"i'm a software developer by profession"!!!!!!!!

Ummm... no.

They're not a corporation, if you've some skills and want to help out I'm sure they'd be happy to let you. Most of them probably just dev as a hobby.

SnuGGie wrote:

Venoxxis wrote:
The varity of british tanks is pretty cool.. maybe we will get a reward unit for the firefly for example or one of the churchill call-in tanks.

The Firefly will indeed have a reward unit, it will be the Comet tank

Who said that?
Doesnt sound like a good idea for me, because the Comet isnt a firefly replacement - it just has more armour.

QuoteWho said that?
Doesnt sound like a good idea for me, because the Comet isnt a firefly replacement - it just has more armour.

I saw it in a broadcast the developers made where they explained all the avaible reward units so far

Comet.
Jagdtiger
Sherman jumbo
Shmerman 105
Pak36
Jagdpanzer IV

I think its pretty nice so far, maybe the next british reward unit would be the sexton that could replace the m7 preist?

Sherman jumbo is a 105...

Seeme wrote:
Sherman jumbo is a 105...

I do belive the Sherman jumbo is a 75 mm (some 76 mm)
And the 105 has a 105 howitzer.

buttom line 2x different tanks ;)

here the names:
M4(105)
M4A3E2 "Jumbo"

Last edited July 6, 2010 at 2:02 PM by SnuGGie

So a Sherman jumbo is just a sherman with a larger barrel?

One of them will replace the calliope ;).

I'd like to point to......google, you'll get an idea what these tanks were

Sherman M49105mm) has 105 mm howitzer than 75mm cannon.
Sherman Jumbo is heavily armoured version of casual sherman, armed with ordinary 75mm cannon. It's not designated astank killer but as assault tank,when getting on small range and destoying, let's say bunker is needed.

Zerstörer wrote:
I'd like to point to......google, you'll get an idea what these tanks were

:O!!! One could be the replacement of the US sherman the only difference being the speed and the armor :D!! and the other sherman... I figured something like that :P...

Nice to hear that!  8)

Reward units which would make a even greater line up are:

- Sherman M4 105mm for the Calliope
- Sherman Jumbo - sensefull reward? only the pershing could be replaced by a cheaper tank with quite good armour

- Comet for the british croc (panther like stats?) i guess it doesnt fit into the brits rows though

- Covenanter tank for the stuart


Cant think of german reward units yet, the jagdtiger is too heavy and about the other units i prefer to wait for the ostheer first.

Maybe just the sturmtiger as a hummel replacement, some ppl would surely love that  :P

Last edited July 6, 2010 at 5:14 PM by Venoxxis

Personally I would never switch out ANYTHING for calliopes. IMO they're the only reason to even go armour. I could see the Sturmtiger being a pretty good replacement for the hummel myself :) despite loving the hummel to bits.

Also, if I'm getting this right, the sherman jumbo will be like a churchill? If so then it's probably a poor replacement for even the pershing. Something should swap out for the croc sherman.

Last edited July 6, 2010 at 5:41 PM by GodlikeDennis

Now theres an idea!

Oh ok I didnt know

IMO replacing the sherman crocodile with a more armored version of the normal sherman won't work. And I agree with GodlikeDennis about the calliope & the hummel.