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#36471

It's over.

It's a damn shame really. 4 years I've been playing COH. 4 long years.

As we all know, COH has been slowly dying this last year. There have been no patches, and no real action by Relic at all. And now, the killing blow.

http://www.companyofheroes.com/

Look and see. COH Online.

COH is going to be replaced by a free to play version of the game that includes all the singleplayer campaigns we paid all that money for for free. And the online component will be replaced with a Battlefield Heroes style microtransaction system where all the worthwhile equipment and abilities can only be bought with real money.

And most damning of all, Relic says that they will only be maintaining the servers for COH for "The forseeable future", which is basically developer speak for "we're already reaching for the plug"

No servers means no online play period, for COH, OF, or EF. No online authentication, no lobbies, no playing with human players whatsoever.

I wish I could say I'm surprised, but after all this time and the constant backstabs of the last few years by all the major developers, I've just come to expect it.
#36474

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wow well I'd like some facts and who you got those quotes from before I start screaming this like its the bible mate......
#36476

Re: It's over.

QuoteWhat will happen to players of the original COH / support for the original COH when this comes out?
It is of the utmost importance to us that we continue to support the players who helped make Company of Heroes great. We will be maintaining the current servers for the foreseeable future, so players can continue to engage in multiplayer matches in Company of Heroes, Opposing Fronts, and Tales of Valor. We will also be unveiling unique rewards in Company of Heroes Online for our loyal fanbase in the near future. We will definitely continue to support these players.
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#36477

Re: It's over.

;D It is good
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#36485

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Hero units? pay for abilities? I don't like it, but its free. Look at the bright side, think of all the noob bashing that you could do for the first few months, lol.

I don't know, maybe it will bring new blood into the game. I wonder if they solved any of the drop hacking problems?
#36491

Re: It's over.

Sounds...interesting I guess. Might add something different to the CoH formula.

I wouldn't worry about never being able to play CoH online. If I can still find games of Total Annihilation then I'm sure they'll be plenty of CoH.

Might just get abit trickier to find is all :)

Cheers
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Last edited June 3, 2010 at 11:15 PM by luz777

#36499

Re: It's over.

This sounds like relic makes a game that is like the EiR Mod or the OMG Mod, just with hero units and stuff. :)

Or am I totally wrong? :-[
#36517

Re: It's over.

Can someone explain what is happening- am a bit slow today
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#36519

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Well good thing I bought CoH for only 4 dollars lol.
#36535

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i really think this is cool....alot of the modding will sadly go away but this looks like alot of fun.
#36548

Re: It's over.

F2P games always are of shitty quality. Do they really expect us to play an inferior version of COH just to have them squeeze more money out of us through 'upgrades'? Like really: no OF factions, no modding, probably fewer maps, most likely you'll have to pay for most units, etc.

Hopefully they'll throw us a patch to at least help the modding community a bit and fix some glaring balance issues.

Regardless, I doubt I'll play this game for more than a few minutes.
#36556

Re: It's over.

Have you all forgotten L4D after L4D2? I remember hearing similar promises of "don't worry, we won't be abandoning the game", and yet sure enough after L4D2 came out, L4D1 fell over dead. There is simply no one left playing it anymore.

AND COH ONLINE WONT SUPPORT MODS.

WHICH MEANS NO EASTERN FRONT.

We're talking about a company that has left this game unpatched for a YEAR, has let cheaters and drophackers run around without punishment, and this is for games that we PAID for? And you guys expect BETTER treatment for a game that's free?

WAKE UP.

Last edited June 3, 2010 at 10:57 PM by BDNeon

#36565

Re: It's over.

I am so pissed right now. Where are all the game developers screwing us over lately?
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#36566

Re: It's over.

PersianImm0rtal wrote:
I am so pissed right now. Where are all the game developers screwing us over lately?


Because game developers like money.
#36568

Re: It's over.

It's capitalism baby  8)
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#36569

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oh well.....
"It is better to fight for something than live for nothing." George Patton
#36572

Re: It's over.

thebomb wrote:
It's capitalism baby  8)

Yeah, it looks like we have been living in a dreamworld, thinking that eventually would be, let's say... balance patch, perhaps CoH2?? But we just get that promise.

BDNeon wrote:
Have you all forgotten L4D after L4D2? I remember hearing similar promises of "don't worry, we won't be abandoning the game", and yet sure enough after L4D2 came out, L4D1 fell over dead. There is simply no one left playing it anymore.

AND COH ONLINE WONT SUPPORT MODS.

WHICH MEANS NO EASTERN FRONT.

We're talking about a company that has left this game unpatched for a YEAR, has let cheaters and drophackers run around without punishment, and this is for games that we PAID for? And you guys expect BETTER treatment for a game that's free?

WAKE UP.

Definetly, that crossed my mind too; they just want more money with lesser quality. It's a shame, no matter how you see it. L4D got a few gifts recently, we'll get a few balance patches, hopefully they would "fix" the balance and help the EF team; and that's all, in the "best-case" scenario... I wonder what will happen next...

I'm apologize if my lower expectations insult another users; I already used this pic... but this deserves it more than the past time.
Mors Indecepta

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#36573

Re: It's over.

I dont care if you all sit here and whine about it, am gunna do something about it >:( . I dont care If they delete my accont 50 times- I will not stop!
The Russians think there sooo tough, wait till the Ostheer comes...

Coh Name: Seeme
#36574

Re: It's over.

Seeme wrote:
I dont care if you all sit here and whine about it, am gunna do something about it >:( . I dont care If they delete my accont 50 times- I will not stop!

The problem is that we are a minority, most people will play the free, new and at the same time "recycled" CoH. It's looks like CoH is walking the path that L4D walked time ago, at least L4D was balanced and I don't remember about suffering about a "persistent bug".
Mors Indecepta

Might controls everything, and without strength you cannot protect anything. Let alone yourself...
#36579

Re: It's over.

So this leaves a lot to discuss.

What does this mean for the mod?

As far as Relic seems to be making it apparent, which isn't much, they're hiding a lot of details that I imagine they dont want people to know because it would make them look bad, COH Online is not simply a rerelease of COH and its expansions and will thus not be compatible with EF.

If it does indeed include all the elements of the original COH and expansions though and has players move over then COH will be abandoned. The community of players is barely holding on as is with the number of players present never exceeding three digits. No one will bother playing a mod for a game no one plays anyway. I have been playing mods for 8 years now and I have seen this to be a cold, undisputable fact.
#36584

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Not allowing mods would be stupid I'm sure relic wouldn't do that because modding games is part of the community.
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#36594

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I'm sure Relic also wouldn't leave the game unbalanced for a year without patches, since balanced gaming is a part of the community, as well as keeping cheaters out.

OH WAIT.

Dude, seriously. Are talking about the same Relic? Because I think you're thinking of a different Relic.
#36611

Re: It's over.

Plah I failed I cant make another new accont. :'( But this means no ef?
The Russians think there sooo tough, wait till the Ostheer comes...

Coh Name: Seeme
#36664

Re: It's over.

nbeerbower wrote:
PersianImm0rtal wrote:
I am so pissed right now. Where are all the game developers screwing us over lately?


Because game developers like money.

It's the publishers who are to blame, not the developers
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#36667

Re: It's over.

Lets not kid ourselves, retail game developers like to earn money just as much as any other professional. Getting more money from people who have already paid, and doing minimal work in the process, is the lifeblood of any creative business.
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#36688

Re: It's over.

You talk about it as if you approve of it.

I certainly dont. The relation between consumer and publisher is becoming unpleasently skewed in favor of the publisher over these last few years in gaming.

Microtransactions, DRM, early sequels, quick abandonment of existing titles, etc etc.

I don't like where gaming is going. I've been playing video games since I got my Playstation 1 way back in 1995, but these last few years since 2006 have been rapidly going downhill as far as how the developers and publishers relate with their consumers.

Last edited June 4, 2010 at 11:15 PM by BDNeon

#36689

Re: It's over.

WartyX wrote:
Getting more money from people who have already paid, and doing minimal work in the process, is the lifeblood of any creative business.


That's the trend at the moment but it doesn't mean it has to be that way.
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#36707

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@ Blackbishop, that star trek pic gets me every time , its very useful and fitting.
One thing I don't get is , whats stopping us from just not getting Coh online and sticking with EF ?
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#36710

Re: It's over.

Perhaps if they release mod tools... but I almost sure, and I expect to be mistaken, they aren't planning to do it.

Well even if they do it, I think everyone is upset because CoH is entering on the twilight zone, and they didn't balance vCoH, just got worse. Besides the imbalance, the maphackers, drophackers and any other cheaters just went rampant... and still do.

And then when all the players were hoping that after CoHO something positive will happen, vCoH will be the next priority or perhaps a CoH2, that weakened hopes, that lasted at least one year just vanished with that crap.

I doubt that will be a CoH 2 now, I hardly doubt that CoHO will be a failure, it's free after all, a lot of people will gather around it from all directions of the wind. And if that happens I think it won't be necessary to develop a CoH 2, the sequel to vCoH. I think I'm a little pessimistic. Sorry :-X.
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Might controls everything, and without strength you cannot protect anything. Let alone yourself...
#36719

Re: It's over.

I firmly believe that without a doubt we will see a CoH2. It is Relic's flagship franchise - ridiculously well reviewed, awarded and sold. I think that CoH Online is a marketing stunt to get new people hooked on CoH before they announce CoH2.
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#36722

Re: It's over.

There can not be the CoH 2 until the first game looks quite good. In the DoW 2 we have not seen the new super graphics.  The new game (CoH 2) will not bring us anything new, so it will not be.
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#36726

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WartyX wrote:
I firmly believe that without a doubt we will see a CoH2. It is Relic's flagship franchise - ridiculously well reviewed, awarded and sold. I think that CoH Online is a marketing stunt to get new people hooked on CoH before they announce CoH2.

+1

They're squeezing COH for all its got to hook more people up. COH:O will hardly be a decent money maker for relic so it does sound more like a 'multiplayer system test run' on the proven and no longer money making COH.
Chances are they'll use the basic principles for COH2 if the response is good enough(and it has been in the China).
Since ToV they seem quite keen on integrating RPG elements into COH making it less of hard core RTS. Perhaps they will implement it as the main 'multiplayer game mode' whilist still keeping a 'hardcore mode' sort to speak for the hardcore gamers.
ToV was clearly a more 'probing' product rather than a true expansion. Seemed like they were aiming for payable DLC missions, new game modes and how are the RPG elements received by the community.
COH:O hero units sound like...the Tiger Ace, where you will unlock the abilities you got in the single player missions, in multiplayer enviroment.
Who knows apart from Relic...
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Last edited June 5, 2010 at 9:46 AM by Zerstörer

#36729

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Just because it's free doesn't mean it'll be crap, look at EF for an example :). CoH:O seems a bit like EiR from the little I've heard but I'm not sure. I'll definitely give it a go but I won't quit CoH for it.
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#36769

Re: It's over.

I hope Relic makes COH2 a Third person/ RTS , where you can swap between the two or something along those lines.
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Dwight: "What are you farming, Bullcrap?"

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#36778

Re: It's over.

UeArtemis wrote:
There can not be the CoH 2 until the first game looks quite good. In the DoW 2 we have not seen the new super graphics.  The new game (CoH 2) will not bring us anything new, so it will not be.

Huh??

What does that have to do with it??

Personally, I think if Coh:online does better than expected and becomes more than just a marketing ploy to get more people onto the series then you become screwed and Coh2 then will be replaced by Coh:online series.
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#36783

Re: It's over.

No, Relic won't let this aging 4 year old platform stay as their 'main game', they are way too arrogantly sequel-based to do that.

I'm expecting a brand new engine for Company of Heroes. As UeArtemis said, Essence has pretty much had its day.
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#36791

Re: It's over.

So that's it?

All of EF, just for COH, just GONE when Relic switches mainframe?

What about EF For COH2? What about losing people playing their original franchise?

I mean Jesus Christ, the only real way Relic could make another Company of Heroes is if they moved it to the African , Pacific, or Eastern Front, I think they've nearly exhausted combat in the Western Front of Europe, and I am POSITIVE they are WELL AWARE there are mods for these other fronts.

So what do we do from here, just sit here and wait for people to play for FREE? And wait for a sequel to a game that they haven't payed attention to for a whole year?

Pardon my Foreign, but Relic is officially fucked up. I say we either:

1. Write a "Nice" Letter.
2. Rebel, and storm the Relic HQ and then demand that COH2 be destroyed, all Alpha and Beta copies. Then kidnap the devs and force them to make more patches.

I like alternative two.

"Balancers are 10 a penny"
#36793

Re: It's over.

Cranialwizard wrote:
I mean Jesus Christ, the only real way Relic could make another Company of Heroes is if they moved it to the African , Pacific, or Eastern Front, I think they've nearly exhausted combat in the Western Front of Europe, and I am POSITIVE they are WELL AWARE there are mods for these other fronts.

They could also make one or two expansions. COH2, IMO, is not needed. And COH:O - well I think that Relic is taking example from EA ( Battleforge). The richest, the strongest. Shame.
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#36798

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Expand to where? They've already made 3 expansions about the Western European front, and 6 campaigns to go along with it! Not to mention 4 whole factions based on Western Combat.

Honestly, I'd think it'd be cool if they made a 1942-43' in Northern Africa, but Pacific and Eastern are already taken. So what next, another Tiger Ace campaign, only it's a Pershing, I mean wtf?
"Balancers are 10 a penny"
#36805

Re: It's over.

Africa, Italy, Greece... They can literally steal ideas from modders... BotB... EF... In DoW2 they did like that - just stole mod and rename it to Last Stand.
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Lord wrote:
OSTHEER IS DONE WHEN IT'S DONE!
#36813

Re: It's over.

You know, this isn't part of relic, so they could even make a new EF. I mean, they could make another Soviets and this would lose all its fame! Infact that's maybe why they were so interested...

Relic could steal ef for there own.
The Russians think there sooo tough, wait till the Ostheer comes...

Coh Name: Seeme
#36817

Re: It's over.

Well, if Relic could organise somthing like "Make something Unreal" tournament, EF could easily win this. Than devs would get professional support and full-scale help from Relic. And then EF would become official COH expansion.
Seeme wrote:
Relic could steal ef for there own.

Big companies think that they can do whatever they want. I'm really impressed that Relic didn't steal EF... If they would do it, they would be just ordinary and patetic thieves. I think that popularity of EF show that people won't give EF just right that.
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Lord wrote:
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#36822

Re: It's over.

Wouldn't it technically be illegal for Relic to steal ideas from mods ?
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#36827

Re: It's over.

It's technically illegal to create mods for most of the games out there. It normally actually violates the License/Terms of Agreement; you should rather be happy that developers don't just shut down every mod.
Apart from that - why shouldn't developers take something successful and turn it into money? That's their job and the modders don't actually loose anything if the developers decide to publish a new addon inspired by any mod. More money = more addons = more engine features = possibly more tools.
However, this won't happen anyway. Relic would never just take a mod, brush it up and sell it. They'd need to support it and supporting someone else's work is a pain.
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#36829

Re: It's over.

This looks no different from the regular CoH, just free with DLC exclusive bonuses.

Seeme wrote:
You know, this isn't part of relic, so they could even make a new EF. I mean, they could make another Soviets and this would lose all its fame! Infact that's maybe why they were so interested...

Relic could steal ef for there own.


I've seen gaming companies like Creative Assembly and the Call of Duty crews steal modders' works so they can make cheap DLC.
It angers me where gaming is going, all we can do is boycott the game or it's exclusive pay-for content.
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#36924

Re: It's over.

well relic should negotiate the take-balance-officialize the best mods (including EF)


enough players are ready to pay for good stuff, and more-than-half of the job means a 10 to 30 % redistribution to the dev-team, quite a good deal for relic
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#36931

Re: It's over.

I think the most major Coh mods out there I have heard of are BK , EF , and PT.There could be more.
Molly: " It's our rock garden"
Dwight: "What are you farming, Bullcrap?"

You Are a Rebel Spy and a traitor to the Empire!
~Darth Vader

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#36934

Re: It's over.

QuoteI think the most major Coh mods out there I have heard of are BK , EF , and PT.There could be more.

I think Modern Combat too ;).
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#36935

Re: It's over.

oh yeah I forgot about that one, I hope they implement controllable helos.
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#36974

Re: It's over.

PT?
The Russians think there sooo tough, wait till the Ostheer comes...

Coh Name: Seeme