Foreign Support Units.

Right guys, since we all keep arguing about which nation (if any) should be implemented into the Ostheer, I opened up this poll to see who will gain the largest majority. When you choose your nation be sure to present in what possible form can you implement it into the Ost (as in Infantry, Support, Vehicles, Tank, be specific!!!!!!)

I will start us of by saying I would implement the Italians in the form of:

Alpini Infantry Support: 4 soldiers armed with 1 scoped Carcano M91 rifle, 2 Beretta Modello 38, and 1 Fucile Mitragliatore Breda Modello 30 LMG, this small versatile squad can provide support in offensive ops as well as defensive.

They can be upgraded with an Alpini Capitano (for 75 munitions) who is armed with a Beretta M 1934 and gives a Zeal bonus to all nearby Alpini (the effects are cumilative per Alpini Capitano). Only 5 of these squads are allowed on the field at one time.

So guys, I'd love to see your thoughts and idea. But no impolite remarks guys. Lets keep this thing clean :) .

No one. These threads are for trolls and flame wars.

I have a bad feeling about this poll...

And i told this all the time;
when Ostheer gets foreign troops we will try to get them "general names" like mediteranian troops or nordic volunteers or balkan legion or things like that.

The main problem is;
when we call one unit e.g. hungarian soldiers or italian soldiers a lot of other guys would start to cry. It is impossible to implement ALL NATIONS of the axis. It would be TOO much!


And seperating by poll wont calm dont the situation.
By this reason a warning for u!
-> When this topic turns into a flamewar i will close it immediately!!!

I really hope foreign troops will be represented the way Lord Rommel said.
There were just too many nations involved to focus on 2-3 single countries while the rest will start to cry for their own nation's unit.

I would just make a "Foreign Volunteers squad" without any hint to the region they comes from, so this squad could cover every Axis state from Finnland to Persia (or wherever "Handzar" came from).

Tanks could be replacement-units for German tanks, like Turán II for PzKpfW. III, Semovente 75/18 for StuG III or Toldi for PzKpfW. II.

i dont like the idea because,mediterranean volunter composed of Italian and Spanish is no historical italians use your uniforn and weapon,the spaniards use germans uniforns and weapons,is that mediterranean volunters ??? likes sound similar fruit juice,or used ss grenadier divisions a example the 29 grenadiers ss division formed by italians and one spanish kompanie.

By the problem in use "ss" name make a patch for countries that have not prohibitionist and the rest change the name.

Lord Rommel, i understand were you are coming from being afraid for the trolling and whining that their nation isn't implemented. Thats why i asked for people to name a unit, not just vote and nag why their country isn't on the poll. My concern is people not naming or designing units, just voting and leaving. Kinda a bummer. If it become a flame war please do close it but as it is right now i would like some ideas, nothing too special just see what would be represented in what way. If i had my way, we would have Cossack SS divisions and Italian Alpini, but i understand where you are coming from, sooooo

I present my new unit suggestion:

Foreign Volunteers: A 4 man squad of multinational
troops from various countries that have pledged their support to us.

Armed with multiple different weapons (2 rifles and 2 sub-machine guns and AT grenades), wearing different uniforms, and speaking different languages, these troops are varying in skill: from WW1 veterans to fresh troops, from MG gunners to snipers, but they have one thing in common, a want to kill the Communist dogs. They are skilled at all ranges but do not specialize in anything making them good, all around Infantry troops, but nothing too special.

Now if one of the devs can tell me, is it possible to create a unit who's troops are always dressed in random nations uniforms with complementary weapons from such weapons without having to completly overhaul the system because this can be used to solve quite a few problems (such as diversity in a Foreign Squad of mine or perhaps similar design)

Thanks in advance guys

holy crap I voted for Spain  ;D see I'm not that much of a hater

neosdark wrote:
Lord Rommel, i understand were you are coming from being afraid for the trolling and whining that their nation isn't implemented. Thats why i asked for people to name a unit, not just vote and nag why their country isn't on the poll. My concern is people not naming or designing units, just voting and leaving. Kinda a bummer. If it become a flame war please do close it but as it is right now i would like some ideas, nothing too special just see what would be represented in what way. If i had my way, we would have Cossack SS divisions and Italian Alpini, but i understand where you are coming from, sooooo

Dont understand why my home country is a "problem"  ???
( Perhaps "problem" is the wrong word xD )
I haven't to be afraid that "my nation" isnt part of the
Ostheer because my nation "was the Ostheer" xD
My problem is that we have too much nations for one game faction and so finding a compromise is my first misson on this topic ;)

There is nothing wrong with you country Lord Rommel. But the problem is that unlike most fronts where you had a few allies that aren't to numerous to represent (or just aren't interseting to represent). The Ostfront saw a massive use of German allies (compared to other times at least) and most people (including myself) believe that they must be represented in some certain ways. We have nothing against Germany, Lord Rommel, but sometimes its fun to add some more people into the mix.

Would you prefer to have the Allies (such as in vCoH 1.00) represent only Americans or have British and others in their too. Same thing here. Would you rather have Ostheer represent only Germany and ignore multiple contributions to their war efforts by many different countries or include them in some way. It's you choice

I agree with Rommel and his Idea of 'Nordic volunteers' it puts scandinavia in mind , if represented at all they should be like that as to prevent arguments.

the only two non-german nations that should be in the ostheer in some form are finland and romania. these two nations contributed heavily to fighting on the eastern front. im not saying that other nations didnt contribute but statistically these countries offered the most in terms of men and equipment aside from germany

Last edited June 5, 2010 at 12:26 AM by jdogg

I started to don't care...

It seems this mod have another vision who go with every day more and more far for my taste...

But  people will be angry even if Finns and Romanians contributed the most if they are the only ones represented.
I swear I met you before PSIHOPAT.....somewhere .....-.-

I had a concept for this problem.

The "Allies support center" and in the buildin you can build the major allies nation infantry units (one type per nation) and only 1 or 2 unlocked when you chose in doctrinal tree(This is non cost in Doctr. tree)

PetikeHUN1984 wrote:
I had a concept for this problem.

The "Allies support center" and in the buildin you can build the major allies nation infantry units (one type per nation) and only 1 or 2 unlocked when you chose in doctrinal tree(This is non cost in Doctr. tree)

+1

1 Doctrine automatickly unlocked Hungarians+Italins
2 Doctrine automatickly unlocked Rumanians+Slovakian
3 Doctrine automatickly unlocked Finnish + Croatians


Only one typical unit allowed in this concept per nation and dont use "SS" in decription(some nation not tolerated).

Last edited June 5, 2010 at 4:12 PM by PetikeHUN1984

Lord wrote:
The main problem is;
when we call one unit e.g. hungarian soldiers or italian soldiers a lot of other guys would start to cry.

Those guys can go shove a flag up their exhaust ports. The devs have no duty to the mod´s players. AT ALL. So they do not have to justify their decisions to them.

haha , you have a point Saavedra.

Finnish commandos would be great. Give 'em Soumi SMGs, Panzerfausts, camo ability and integrate a marksman in the squad.  ;D 
Not to mention a crowbar that can be used to immobilize Russian tanks! Finnish bear strenght! (I'm not finn, btw, but we scandinavians have to hear alot about how insanely badass our eastern neighbours are - after all they are our wall towards Russia)

j/k

Possibly OP, lol... But something would be needed to distinguish them from Wehr Stormtroopers. Smaller squad (three men) with camo and SMGs but also a marksman ability similar to that of the British recon section?

Would sure add some flavour to the Ostheer in a way that a generic German "stormtrooper" squad would not be ble to do.

Last edited August 17, 2010 at 11:00 AM by Subutai

Yea, Alot of people underestimate the Finns. They were one of the strongest troops in ww2 if you ask me, most people think its on of those stuiped useless foreign countys that just keep losing. They were acutally Winning.

I like the "Foreign Battlegroup" idea that has been suggested somwhere here on the forums ...

A doctrine ability abit simmilar to the "US defensive BG" But it gives you a bunch of foreign troops instead.

The ability would randomly give you one of the foreign battlegroups.

It could be made even more interesting if each battlegroup was dedicated to something, fx anti tank or anti infantry, support, defensive and so on...

Italian bg
Hungarian bg
Romanian bg
finish bg

Seeme wrote:
Yea, Alot of people underestimate the Finns. They were one of the strongest troops in ww2 if you ask me, most people think its on of those stuiped useless foreign countys that just keep losing. They were acutally Winning.

No, Its the other way around.
Alot of people overestimate the Finns.
They were the first nation to fight with the Soviet Union after the purges. In 1939 the Soviet army was in a worst condition than in 1941.
1944 war was complitly different. Similar to fights in Romania.

... Finns were acutally losing. Losing their second largest City - Viipuri. Losing their mines near Petsamo.
Just like Romania was loosing Moldavia, Hungary Transilvania, etc.

@Paciat and Seeme: you really want to get this topic closed, do you?

Ontopic: I'm pro neutral "allied" regiments, w/o any specific nationalities. Something like "Ostbatallion" from N44 - an expendable units with a German officer in the lead, to overwatch these "less-talented allies" (you remember about nazi's doctrine of racial superiority, right?)

I have to disagree with pachiet, but lets just stop.It wont go anywhere and the topic will be closed.

Hungarians =) (or finish but they are just snipers )

It would be nice to have foreign support but I don't think devs have time for that... unless they've planned someting like ReckLESS said.

Beware with the off-topic... is treacherous :-\...

I reiterate. WAFFEN-GRENADIERS for standard Ostheer infantry. Why? 1) The name's obviously Waffen-SS, though inoffensive-sounding, and hints at foreign units (most likely with German NCOs, so some of the voice-overs could be recycled) ...they could have been from any Axis allied or co-belligerent country, including some of the Non-Axis countries who fielded small numbers of volunteers. 2) Historically accurate---look it up. 3) Goes with the Relic theme too (e.g. Grenadiers, Panzergrenadiers, Volksgrenadiers, Waffen-Grenadiers). Everyone's happy. End of story.  ;D

http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=4330.0

Last edited August 17, 2010 at 6:33 PM by Werwolf

Amen

I agree with the foreign battlegroup idea, maybe include random troops from Italy, Spain, Finland, Georgia, Estonia, Russian liberation army, Hungary, Romania, Charlemagne, Wallonie, Nord etc. divisions, labeled just as "foreign support". That would be so cool and keep everyone happy, I mean there are even some skins for these troops already made...  ;D

You do realize, that doing so will require adding ~10 new identical units just for one call-in? And there's another way "to make everyone happy" - make noone happy :D

Using RGOs that allow random, multiple skins in a single unit like the ones by Slay could solve that issue.

I don't think the all round foreign infantry should be included. Its already complicate the matter of reinforcing random infantry back in Hq. I think two squad of infantry with different nationality should be included. Remember, it must play a major role in the Eastern front. I wish you guys would not be overzeolots of your nation. I'm a Malaysia but its insane to put Malaysia infantry into Ostheer anyway. I more supportive to the Finnish and Romanians since both contribute in the Eastrn Front troops per nation ratio. And the fact they got the highest votes.

I suggest each infantry played a different role, one as a supportive infantry, one as an assault infantry or pioneers/engineers. Or both available as different docterine battlegroups.

I still think we should say "Finnsh troops" Or Hungarian Gun support. If some people don't like it, they can just complain else where. The Devs aren't making this mod to please them.

Seeme wrote:
Yea, Alot of people underestimate the Finns. They were one of the strongest troops in ww2 if you ask me, most people think its on of those stuiped useless foreign countys that just keep losing. They were acutally Winning.

Yeah they were pretty badass until they surrendered and stabbed us (Germany) in the back.

Maybe a finnish elite call-in , with a Mg34 and camo(etc) ?

If they make a Finnish squad in Ostheer, it should be light anti-infantry/recon unit. They would be armed with Kar98k's. But seriously I don't care about which nation(s) foreign squads present.

Paciat I think that we finns are a little bit underestimadet for our actions in Winter War and Continuation War. We had some major defensive victories over Soviets. But yes, in theory we lost both wars but they both were great moral victories over USSR.

i told the finnish are don't do anything except sniping the enemy
like Simo Hayha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4
but the Hungarians are do more

Hajrá Magyarok remélem bejutunk :D

PanzerWilly wrote:

Griptonix wrote:

Seeme wrote:
Yea, Alot of people underestimate the Finns. They were one of the strongest troops in ww2 if you ask me, most people think its on of those stuiped useless foreign countys that just keep losing. They were acutally Winning.

Yeah they were pretty badass until they surrendered and stabbed us (Germany) in the back.

C'mon, forgive and forget already. Its not like Finnish betrayed Germany in the beginning, Finish also dosn't wish to ended up like Poalnd and Berlin, a nation being burn to the ground.

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The reason that most of choose Finnish is that Finnish fought bravely against the Soviet and actually won the winter war without critical military aid. They are the guys everyone admire and wanted to see them relive and fight in the game just as they fought the winter war.

Yeah, Hungarians do more support than the Finnish so their existence in the army is more of the practicality rather than an inspiration. Finnish troops defeat on the Soviet in the Winter War maybe the big morale boost & inspiration of Germany that they could defeat the Russia. And surely most germans wanted to get to know a nation that beaten a giant once thought unstoppable. Finnish maybe serve as an insparation troops for ostheer to fight on.
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Stop this nonsense. Other similar threads have been closed because of this behavior.

Oh sorry........

The only reason Finland surrendered was because since Germany was falling back they had to or it would be alot worst, so its Germany's fault. But anyway not to go off topic the Finnish  help alot in WW2 and was not such a "loser" country so I think they should be included.

I was suggesting that the Finnish could be an inspiration assault infantry, lack of any specialised abilities or powerful weapons but have an inspire aura for the Ostheer, for balance reason the aura will not stack upon each other. And the Finnish could have camoflage ability, good for hiding but will auto disabled the aura as it can't be 'seen' by freindlie. The camo should not give  alot of benefit since they only use normal weapon and the only advantage they get is moving undetected(detected if an infantry is close) and get a first shot chance.

They should have a ability called Ambush! which makes there first shoot out of camo instantly kill 1 soldier from the enemy squad and suppresses all the squad for a few secs. This will make the unit very useful.

Hmmm, as the soviets don't have any foreign named troops, like Ukrainian support, or something like that, I think Ostheer wont be getting any foreign troops. Like Mother Russia, the Ostheer represent the regular German army.

TheReaper wrote:
Hmmm, as the soviets don't have any foreign named troops, like Ukrainian support, or something like that, I think Ostheer wont be getting any foreign troops. Like Mother Russia, the Ostheer represent the regular German army.

The Ukraine was part of the USSR, so troops fro there were put in the rest of the Red Army.
Germany's case was different, allies sent their troops to fight with the Germans on the Eastern Front.

It makes sense reaper but the devs already said they were.

erm what seeme ?

I was answering "The reaper"

Seeme wrote:
They should have a ability called Ambush! which makes there first shoot out of camo instantly kill 1 soldier from the enemy squad and suppresses all the squad for a few secs. This will make the unit very useful.

Wow, that will be too powerful, considered that they are inspiration troops with aura that may benefit the remaining ostheer infantry. The camo may only serve to hide the unit if the fights turn ugly and the Finnish might be a whole lot more costly than regular infantry. But I would not go straight and think that my concept will be used. It up to the dev that think wheter or not the Finnish and Hungarians should have a role in the Ostheer, if the dev said its a no no, then better we discussed something more important.

I don't know, but for some reason I think the DEVs already stated, that IF there are any Foreign Units in the Ostheer, they'll have more general/common names like (this is an example by mine!) "Foreign Support Troops" or maybe "Northern Assault Squad".
Not a specific name like "Spanish 250th Blue Division" or "SS-Division Wiking".  :)

TheReaper wrote:
Hmmm, as the soviets don't have any foreign named troops, like Ukrainian support, or something like that, I think Ostheer wont be getting any foreign troops. Like Mother Russia, the Ostheer represent the regular German army.

exist foreign units within the Red Army,I think the Russians framed foreigners in the same units that they,Spanish side only know these cases:

Enrique Líster-soviet general.

Rubén Ruiz Ibárruri-Lieutenant 13th Regiment of the Guard fallen in stalingrad.hero of the soviet union and Order of Lenin.

Ángel Guindal-captain in sabotage unit.

units concerning:4th Special Company formed only by republicans spanish,moscow front 1941,1942.

3rd regiment of volunteers-leningrad front formed by 74 spanish and more foreign volunteers.

greetings товарищ.