russains make heavy tanks to fast now

the new rev patch allows me to make Russian tanks way to fast. in the time it takes for the Germans to make a Wehrmacht quarters two mg teams and finish researching the kriage barracks the Russians have all there buildings two guard units a command squad and have there first t34/85 in production. also after you start producing the t34/85 you can rapidly make more that combined with the t35/85s recent upgrades make it vary unfair. what used to take me an hour or so to beat 4 expert Germans on orel now takes me 20 min and most of that time is spent destroying the bases. in my last 20 min game i made 11 t34/85s and called in two Shermans. also with the new russain out post they get fuel at a faster rate so make the tank hull and heavy tank upgrade cost more fuel and you should be good. oh and make the support building cost some kind of fuel i mean for real just 200 mp thats ridiculous. other wise everything about the new patch is awesome nice work.           

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oh and if this has already been brought up and i did not notice you have my apology's

Last edited May 24, 2010 at 8:39 PM by mooooooo

I second that.

It only works for players the play risky and rush to get fuel and ammo points. I play conservative and i get the T-34/85 when the computer (easy) has began launching vet one Panzer 4. In the meantime, i build T-70/90, as they are very useful for a pop count of 3.

Panzer4life wrote:
It only works for players the play risky and rush to get fuel and ammo points. I play conservative and i get the T-34/85 when the computer (easy) has began launching vet one Panzer 4. In the meantime, i build T-70/90, as they are very useful for a pop count of 3.

I can own easy AI using only strelky. :P

Buing light armor upgrade allmost is like building wehrmacht TierIII but Soviet light tanks SU-85 (350) and SU-100 (450) have too little HP to even bother getting them (Invisible paks and shrecks own them).
Sure StugIV has only 400HP but when veted it gaines x0,85 recived dmg and x1,15 HP and armored skirts. Thats like having 541HP.
Id rather get a mortar and tank hunters and wait for T-34 or even a IS-2. Germans can get a vet0 Panther by then if they can hold half of the map...

T-70 is very efective vs PE light armor (just like a Stuart) but winning with PE is way too easy using only Strelky.

AI has been nerfed on all levels. The bonus is half of what it used to be...So, easy IS easy and Hard IS Hard...so don't be fooled by that  ;)

i agree with Paciat. buying light tanks is useless. your better off using heavier infantry. if your going to use armor the t34 is the only way to go (fast cheap tough and powerful) as well as rushing the fuel points. if you cant pull that off then you are going to lose especially agents expert AI or people. and now that that is so easy its just not fair and needs fixing big time 

Last edited May 24, 2010 at 8:38 PM by mooooooo

Zerstörer wrote:
AI has been nerfed on all levels. The bonus is half of what it used to be...So, easy IS easy and Hard IS Hard...so don't be fooled by that  ;)

That sounds great

I find that the speed in which you get heavy tanks is roughly the same IF you do not go down the armor commander, because the U.S lended sherman comes way too quickly

Psycho1225 wrote:
I find that the speed in which you get heavy tanks is roughly the same IF you do not go down the armor commander, because the U.S lended sherman comes way too quickly

you don't even need the Shermans. you can pump out t34/85s so rapidly and so soon that its actually less efficient to call in shermans.

ok people to see what i mean go to the map Orel 4v4. start it as Russians with allies as Russians put out post on your three fuel points and devout all your fuel to making t34/85s. make a command squad and two guard squads to start attacking with before your tanks come out. do this a see not only how fast you win but by the end of that short time how many tanks you have produced. with all expert AI i on average get 11 t34/85s and win in 25 min 

Its because we missed out 2 things on the tech tree...the fact that you not only need to build a building to increase tier, but you'd also need to make a research in order to increase tier....small coding thing that makes all the difference.
Wait this the hotfix, should be out reasonably soon

Zerstörer wrote:
Its because we missed out 2 things on the tech tree...the fact that you not only need to build a building to increase tier, but you'd also need to make a research in order to increase tier....small coding thing that makes all the difference.
Wait this the hotfix, should be out reasonably soon

that's good :) 

Zerstörer wrote:
Its because we missed out 2 things on the tech tree...the fact that you not only need to build a building to increase tier, but you'd also need to make a research in order to increase tier....small coding thing that makes all the difference.
Wait this the hotfix, should be out reasonably soon

Yes, why didnt you make soviets like Germans witht he buildings. They are way to fast on the battlefield. They even have this officer-crew while I still run around with my two crappy engeneers.
Soviets biuld and capture points much faster. Even if they just have one soldier.
Playing PE against Soviets ist suicide. IN PE you need to waste good resources and uel, for the base-capture upgrade.
And why is it, that it seems that Soviet Inf. Units run faster?

i know you guys are busy but the last hot fix although it did fix the ease of getting good inf it did not address the ease of getting good tanks as a matter of fact it did absolutely nothing i can still produce over a dozen t34\85s within 20-25 min while the Germans are just starting to produce there first couple panzer 4 it just is not right. if you guys plan on fixing it in the near future then good. but if you don't then let me know so i can stop playing this now broken mod. it wouldn't take much just a tank depot that cost like 30 more fuel. now don't get me wrong i fell in love with this mod an played it from the beginning but please PLEASE fix this problem.     

The best way to balance a game is to give each side certain units, that are in firepower or deff on equal grounds. Making one side slow, the other one extremly fast (in building and capturing stuff), or to give them an advantage in costs, will frustrate any player. It will also take the chalange and fun out of playing Soviets.
It also sucks if one side can build more units with the same resources available on a map, than the other side, if they are just as strong or stronger.
If you are to much fixted on making one side bigger, better, giving them newer and classy stuff, and the other side still runs around with the same old junk then you are not interested in balance.

Reinefarth wrote:
The best way to balance a game is to give each side certain units, that are in firepower or deff on equal grounds. Making one side slow, the other one extremly fast (in building and capturing stuff), or to give them an advantage in costs, will frustrate any player. It will also take the chalange and fun out of playing Soviets.
It also sucks if one side can build more units with the same resources available on a map, than the other side, if they are just as strong or stronger.
If you are to much fixted on making one side bigger, better, giving them newer and classy stuff, and the other side still runs around with the same old junk then you are not interested in balance.

are you talking to the developers or me. if your talking to me then i assure you that i do care about balance and a ton of t34\85s early in the game is not balanced. they are in many ways better than is2 as they are fast and agile with a vary powerful gun and good armor (now equivalent to a Churchill if i read the changelog right) and most of all its cheap so combined with the ability to bring them to bare so soon makes it boring and easy as the Russians and hard and frustrating as the Germans   

mooooooo wrote:



are you talking to the developers or me. if your talking to me then i assure you that i do care about balance and a ton of t34\85s early in the game is not balanced. they are in many ways better than is2 as they are fast and agile with a vary powerful gun and good armor (now equivalent to a Churchill if i read the changelog right) and most of all its cheap so combined with the ability to bring them to bare so soon makes it boring and easy as the Russians and hard and frustrating as the Germans 

To the developers. I agree to what you say. Developers of all mods (coH, PE ect.) are always buisy making Germans crappy and boosting allies.