Japenese representation in COH

other games in world war 2 lack japense a simlar conecpt was done in men of war it might be possible to have japense rather than ostheer this should be considered or expolored the inspiration came form men of war japense army you tube video men of war japnese army it would seem alot easier than making third germna faction this was also a mod in men of war

Wrong mod homeboy  ;D

http://www.moddb.com/mods/pacific-thunder

this is eastern front, with soviets as main theme. i wouldn't include any other faction than those living in eastern front area. or fighting there in that time.
i just hope ostheers will have some unique vehicles and a lot of unique stuff..like soviets sitting on tanks, panzer elite inf can repair, not to mention britz. :)

Men with Katana's trying to beat back IS-3's? Sounds fantastic :P

sid wrote:i wouldn't include any other faction than those living in eastern front area. or fighting there in that time.

What is about the Far Eastern Front (1938—1945)?

this is very far eastern war conflict ;D there were some help from germans before start of wwi to china and later from americans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War

Romania is more probable than Japonia,because his role was major in that conflict.Without romanian aid,germany was stopped in Russian territories,without reaching so far...

Romania was the most powerful allied in Eastern Front for Germany,and no other countries can match his strength in that zone.

Last edited February 2, 2010 at 10:16 PM by PSIHOPAT

UeArtemis wrote:

sid wrote:i wouldn't include any other faction than those living in eastern front area. or fighting there in that time.

What is about the Far Eastern Front (1938—1945)?

if your gonna do that ADD CHINA NOT RUSSIAN FRONT China gets NO respect for its role in ww2. I HUGE amount of Japans Money and men were sucked into that front

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PSIHOPAT wrote:
Romania is more probable than Japonia,because his role was major in that conflict.Without romanian aid,germany was stopped in Russian territories,without reaching so far...

Romania was the most powerful allied in Eastern Front for Germany,and no other countries can match his strength in that zone.

yeah I would love to see Romania also get its respected role Italy too but mostly Romania

Hungary had better armor than Romania.

Really ?

How many ?

One or two tanks?

Finland had a more skilled army then Japan.. And they're not in the game (yet), how do you expect the Japanese to stand up against Russia?

In the entire war, out of every battle fought, the only country that embaressed Russia, that shocked them, that ripped them apart.. Was Finland.. Germany couldn't stand against them, no country could, except for Finland. A country with a force not even close to the size of Germany's, held off Russia.. If they're not in the game (yet), how do you expect Japan, a country that isn't even on the Eastern Front, to be included?

Japan pretended to be strong when they attacked America.. In all reality - they were one of the weaker Axis.

The Finnish infantry was the Elite, they were the best of the War.

Japan wasn't weak, and BTW they didn't attack Russia so they have nothing to do with this mod.
finland was maby strong but only fought in the north. just don't make a country based command tree.

They were undertrained, low-skill soldiers. The only thing that made them "strong" was te huge population density of the country.

Soviets were attacked by the Japanese in 1938 and again in 1939. Then the Soviets invaded Manchuria mid 1945 and regained some territory they'd lost during the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-05. Japan wasn't weak, but their tactics were something to be desired.

thanks for clearing that out. i was lazy to cover that since arguing is fun to watch  ;D

Tarkka-ampuja wrote:The Finnish infantry was the Elite, they were the best of the War.

i don't want to say they wasn't good but they wasn't elite,fighting and defending in homeland can give a big advantage and when we take a fact that weather was helping Finnish army then we get a result of why they hold their lines

BurroDiablo wrote:Japan wasn't weak, but their tactics were something to be desired.

They depended on outside resources, their troops were under-trained and had no initiative beyond the famous banzai charge, their navy, while powerful in terms of men, ships and aircraft at the start of the campaign, remained stuck in exactly the same inefficient doctrine as at the start, failing to adapt to the enemy.

The one time they shined was when they managed to kill more Marines than IJA personnel they lost in Iwo Jima. And that was in a defensive action under the command of one of the most amazing military leaders the modern world has ever known.


The weakness of the Japanese was not in the amount of resources they had at the start, but in their inability to make intelligent use of them.

and also i think their problem was that they could not adapt to the warfare of the 20th century

GamblerSK wrote:

Tarkka-ampuja wrote:The Finnish infantry was the Elite, they were the best of the War.

i don't want to say they wasn't good but they wasn't elite,fighting and defending in homeland can give a big advantage and when we take a fact that weather was helping Finnish army then we get a result of why they hold their lines

They were trained to handle those conditions, trained to make used of them. Every soldier was trained to the upmost of the Officers ability - they were the Elite.

PSIHOPAT wrote:
Really ?

How many ?

One or two tanks?

Medium tank 40M Turan I - 285 or 279
Medium tank 40M Turan II - 139 or 180
Anti-aircraft tank 40M Nimrod - 135
Assault gun 40/43M Zrinyi II - 66
Armoured scout car 39M Csaba & 40M Csaba - 135
Light Tank 38M Toldi I,II,IIA,III - 202.

Last edited February 4, 2010 at 10:52 AM by UeArtemis

Don't compare Hungary with Romania.

My country has beat them all over the history,but i don't want to prove that now and here.Search an will find the answer.
After austro-hungarian empire,Hungary has been good just for taking beatings from romanians.

They attempted to take Transilvania from us,but never managed to keep it,and will not be capable to do that never.

Romania is old Dacia,and dacians are known for their combat skills,high morale and excellent commanders.Dacians with falxmen has forced the romans to change their armors,because was useless against falx.War between dacians and romans is graven on the column of Traian,from Roma.

Romania always appeared to be weak from outside,and has been underestimated by powerful countries,but proved always to be a big mistake that.Many times Romania has humiliated powerful countries or empires in battles.There are situations with victory for romanains when they had balance of forces one against ten.

Search in history how i suggested you,and will find the answer,and don't suggest insulting comparisons.
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From wikipedia

Romania

Romanian soldiers during an inspection by King Mihai I of Romania, May 10, 1956.

The Romanian Army gained much from its involvement in the Second World War. While the Romanian Army had been heavily influenced by the French Army in the interbellum years, they began to receive German military equipment during the war against the Soviet Union.

After the Second World War, Romania heavily rebuilt its army with large amounts of modern equipment brought from the Germans. While the Armed Forces was reorganised and retrained by German Wehrmacht advisors.

Especially the armoured forces were modernised. By 1950, most Romanian tank units were equipped with the R-5 tank, which was the Romanian designation for the German Panther II, fitted with a gyrostabilized 88 mm KwK L/71. These were crushingly superior to any Hungarian tank at that time, apart from the T34/88r and the 44M Tas. Other tanks in service at that time were leftovers from the Second World War, such as the T-4 medium tank (Pz.Kpfw. IV) and TACAM R-2, and TAC III (Sturmgeschütz III) self-propelled guns. also present was the Maresal MO-4, a small tank destroyer similar to the Hetzer armed with 75mm Resita M1943 gun and based on captured Soviet T-60 chassis. The army had also been considerably motorised, with the addition of Opel-Blitz trucks, Famo halftracked tractors, Sd.Kfz. 251 halftracks and a few pre-war Malaxa tip UE haulers, which were mainly used to Tow anti-tank guns. in addition, small numbers of the Schutzenpanzerwagen 38(t) Ausf M and the Vollkettenaufklarer 38(t) Katzchen Armoured personnel carriers were used by the Premier formations.

The infantry not been developed much since the end of the Second World War. While new camouflage uniforms had been distributed, most soldiers were still equipped with World War 2 equipment, such as the Dutch M1923/27 helmets and ZB M1924 bolt-action rifles. However, submachineguns were becoming more common among NCOs, and the Orita M1941 was the most common version in use. Some elite units used Stg 44 assault rifles.

In terms of anti-tank weapons, the equipment were predominantly of German origin. Panzerfausts and Panzerschrecks were used on company level, while anti-tank guns such as the 75 mm PaK 40 were distributed at battalion and regiment level.

Artillery was the same as by the end of the war, most of them old Schneider and Škoda howitzers deriving from Austro-Hungary and France, with a few Czechoslovak howitzers from the interbellum period. Large stockpiles of Soviet artillery pieces, captured areas such as Odessa during the Second World War, was available in reserve or in units not yet modernised.

Especially the Forţele Aeriene Regale ale României (Royal Romanian Air Force) were expanded with German military assistance. Large numbers of jet-engined aircraft, mainly the new Ta 183, the two seater Me 262 (used as a Trainer and Nightfighter) and the older IAR 80s and Henschel Hs 129, along with the Hs 132 Jet Dive bomber. This gave the Romanians an immence superiority over the Hungarians.

Despite many advantages with the German military assistance programme, many branches of the military, most notibly the artillery, resisted the german Reforms.

Last edited February 4, 2010 at 11:54 AM by PSIHOPAT

I just answered your question. Moreover, you have told us that Romanian vehicles were of foreign origin. Hungary had own unique vehicles.

QuoteRomanian soldiers during an inspection by King Mihai I of Romania, May 10, 1956.

His Majesty Michael I King of the Romanians ruled until 30 December 1947.

Last edited February 4, 2010 at 5:03 PM by UeArtemis

Psihopat, no offense, but patriotic post like yours only pollute such forums. You won't achieve anything by posting such texts and especially you won't make the devs implement Romanian forces in the game at some point later. It is just a WW2 game, in which only major powers are implemented as it is in the most games! Accept it.

Also, as far as I can see, this topic is about implementing Japanese forces in the game, so your posts are off topic.

Last edited February 4, 2010 at 5:34 PM by orenda

The Japanese also had good tanks, that were capable to fight against Sherman. But it did not participate in the war. :(

Last edited February 4, 2010 at 6:33 PM by UeArtemis

UeArtemis wrote:
I just answered your question. Moreover, you have told us that Romanian vehicles were of foreign origin. Hungary had own unique vehicles.

About Romania....
Thy had foreign tanks and other weapons..

But you don't know that..it seems...

Last post like that here.

Last edited February 4, 2010 at 5:47 PM by PSIHOPAT

Psihopat, maybe you didn't really read UeArtemis' post quite well.

Anyway... Romania's name come from Roman and is related to Roman people when it was part of the Roman empire. But nowadays Romanians don't have anything in common with Romans, many tribes and nations have passed through and settled down in modern Romanian territory. In other words, in your blood flows the genes of Huns, Avars, Bulgars, Pechenges, Cumans. In this case, I don't have any idea why your country is named Romania.

"Don't compare Hungary with Romania. My country has beat them all over the history." > I have always found patriotism like this very entertaining...

You know nothing or very few about my country,and speak just to speak.
Talk less and listen more if you are in unknown terrain.
Let's leave off topic,and not attack each other.Ok ?

About Japonia in eastern front...hmmm...
If is proved to be historical accurate,why not?...otherwise...no...

There are 2 options how is possible to make the Japanese:

• Japanese with good vehicles in the style of the Wehrmacht and Americans, but not realistic.
  


• Japanese with light armoured vehicles what were participated in the battles, in the style of the PE with an admixture of other styles.

I personally can not decide which is better. The second option is more complicated, more realistic.

P.S. orenda: the Romanian language is very similar to Latin. There are other examples of their proximity to the Romans. You rushed to conclusions. (I mean: Your conclusions were premature.)

Last edited February 4, 2010 at 6:50 PM by UeArtemis

On the topic: I have always wanted to have Sovients and Japanese in CoH, so I prefer the latter than having another German faction. Of course, the devs won't create Japs instead of the Ostheer, so it does not really matter.

By the way, an interesting fact tells that Japanese infantry was using bikes to transport faster around the islands they were capturing. It will be hilarious to have Japanese on bikes in CoH  ;D

Offtopic: @Psihopat, I am not attacking you in anyway, but in almost every topic I check I see your posts telling about Romania during WW2 and how important it was and so on. It is quite irritating, to be honest.

@UeArtemis, many countries speak languages which have Latin roots, but nowadays there is no modern language which is close enough to Latin, even Italian is not that close. We live in globalizing world and people and languages are mixing and everything is changing. I also did a bit of research because it was interesting to me as well to learn more about Romanian languange, so you can check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_language.

Last edited February 5, 2010 at 8:25 PM by orenda

Romania ^_^
So Dacia are called as Romania, because its people speak the Romance language, they are one of the few people in the East, who still speaks in the Romance language.

So let's not argue.

Last edited February 7, 2010 at 12:00 PM by UeArtemis

about the Japanese, how about a mainly defensive and ambush gameplay? Like PE but in steroids, banzai charges and a call-in Kamikaze Zero that would act like the WH's V-1.

check the second post, there already is a mod that is in its early stages that probably will end up like the EF Mod but puts the japenese into COH.
the link again..
http://www.moddb.com/mods/pacific-thunder

It will use things like bonzi charges, ambushes and other unique tactics but it is still in development and probably wont be released for a while.

This is the Eastern front mod, meaning soviets and ostheer mostly, but the japenese would be a good idea, just not in this mod  ;D

UeArtemis wrote:

PSIHOPAT wrote:
Really ?

How many ?

One or two tanks?

Medium tank 40M Turan I - 285 or 279
Medium tank 40M Turan II - 139 or 180
Anti-aircraft tank 40M Nimrod - 135
Assault gun 40/43M Zrinyi II - 66
Armoured scout car 39M Csaba & 40M Csaba - 135
Light Tank 38M Toldi I,II,IIA,III - 202.

sorry...out of context... but I have to laugh that the example picture of the tank has a busted track..heheh

Tarkka-ampuja wrote:
Finland had a more skilled army then Japan.. And they're not in the game (yet), how do you expect the Japanese to stand up against Russia?

In the entire war, out of every battle fought, the only country that embaressed Russia, that shocked them, that ripped them apart.. Was Finland.. Germany couldn't stand against them, no country could, except for Finland. A country with a force not even close to the size of Germany's, held off Russia.. If they're not in the game (yet), how do you expect Japan, a country that isn't even on the Eastern Front, to be included?

Japan pretended to be strong when they attacked America.. In all reality - they were one of the weaker Axis.

The Finnish infantry was the Elite, they were the best of the War.

Well maybe u are right but make no mistake; on a single wat bethen Japan and Finland, Japan would CRUSH finland, dont forgoet the japan manpower, navy (with carries, things witch just usa and england had too) and dam good airforce too.
Dude Japan was WAYYY more tuff than Italy witch was on Axis too, and they CRUSHED 1/2 of the USA Navy on Pearl Harbor, that was one of the most well sucessded attacks ever, Japan lost the war for 2 factors; overwhelming and to much islands to control. Japan conquered most of the Oceania islands.
Take Italy for example; after a brief conquer on Ethiophia (uhm uhm) they got their ass kicked by the Greeks! lol so think twice when saying Japan was the weaker of Axis, for your Info, there were other puppets countrys on axis too.. hehe
I love WW2 history
If you think this way take a look at the Brazilian Jungle Elite Force, they are one of the best infantary on World this days, just as tuff as the Mariners and the Swiss Snow Forces.

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And dude, there are 1000 factors that made the Finland resist to Russians for a time; like nationalism.
Take Vietnam dude, why the americans lost it?
-Tunels, Militia, Guerrilha Tatics, Surprise Assault, Extreme Nationalism, etc.. So on war EVERYTHING is possible.
Just another info; the japaneses CRUSHED the russians on Naval Battles on the 20´s too dude, take a read on history for real... i agree the russians had a much more tuff army and tanks, but the japanese airforce was more than match and the Navy was much much much better than the russian :)
i got a 500 pages book of WW2 history, if u guys want to know any shit ask me :)

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Happycat wrote:
about the Japanese, how about a mainly defensive and ambush gameplay? Like PE but in steroids, banzai charges and a call-in Kamikaze Zero that would act like the WH's V-1.

That is a excelent idea for the Pacific Thunder mod, send a e-mail to them.. i already did offring myself to help build the models... Kamikaze Plane would be a nice Doutrine Power and Banzai Charge would be a nice Troop Hability.
I also would sugest a reaserch called Extreme Nationalism or something that would made then fight to the death and dont run; what REALLY happened in a lot of Oceanic islands when the americans were winning the war on the pacific, they didnt surrender and fought to the death with the americans.
Other cool power for the Japs would be Honor, that could give some bonus to attack and moral i dunno... ;)

Last edited February 9, 2010 at 12:39 PM by gustavowizard

Tarkka-ampuja wrote:
Finland had a more skilled army then Japan.. And they're not in the game (yet), how do you expect the Japanese to stand up against Russia?

In the entire war, out of every battle fought, the only country that embaressed Russia, that shocked them, that ripped them apart.. Was Finland.. Germany couldn't stand against them, no country could, except for Finland. A country with a force not even close to the size of Germany's, held off Russia.. If they're not in the game (yet), how do you expect Japan, a country that isn't even on the Eastern Front, to be included?

Japan pretended to be strong when they attacked America.. In all reality - they were one of the weaker Axis.

The Finnish infantry was the Elite, they were the best of the War.

Did you forgot that Finland lost both WWII wars with USRR?
There were too little Finns to make a big difference.

Finland was not stronger than Japan. That is an almost laughable concept.

Tarkka-ampuja wrote:
Finland had a more skilled army then Japan.. And they're not in the game (yet), how do you expect the Japanese to stand up against Russia?

In the entire war, out of every battle fought, the only country that embaressed Russia, that shocked them, that ripped them apart.. Was Finland..

Only country that embarrassed Russia?  You've clearly never heard of the Russo-Japanese war.

Only country that embarrassed Russia?  You've clearly never heard of the Russo-Japanese war.

It's not the topic about kicking bolsheviks ass, ok? :P (Although topic is very close to my heart - polish -bolshevik war 1920 ;p)

If it goes to Finland...well...they had their moment during the war with Soviets...but after all they were rather a weak country before and during the II WW.

In my opinion the most powerful countries in Europe at the beggining of the war were:

1. Germany
2. France
3. Soviet Union
4. Poland
5. Italy
6. Great Britain

And I think that only the first 3 countries could compete with Japan at that time.

If Sea power was represented in COH I would see the logic of including Japan. But as it is, I would surmise a Merge of Italy, Romania, Hungary?

Perhaps they can call in a expert Panther that is AI controlled :P

In my opinion it doesn't have sense. If we would count all the nations who were a part of the Soviet Army we would have like 666 different factions.

spanishfly wrote:
Only country that embarrassed Russia?  You've clearly never heard of the Russo-Japanese war.

It's not the topic about kicking bolsheviks ass, ok? :P (Although topic is very close to my heart - polish -bolshevik war 1920 ;p)

If it goes to Finland...well...they had their moment during the war with Soviets...but after all they were rather a weak country before and during the II WW.

In my opinion the most powerful countries in Europe at the beggining of the war were:

1. Germany
2. France
3. Soviet Union
4. Poland
5. Italy
6. Great Britain

And I think that only the first 3 countries could compete with Japan at that time.

"at that time" (1941) UK (and all of commonwealth) was fighting a war with III reich and Italy.
All the best equpment (Spitfires, Matilda tanks, aircraft carriers) was send to N Africa or to defend England.

Theres no China on the list? It was more powerfull than Poland.

...tak czy owak miło zobaczyć post rodaka, na tym forum.

Jest nas więcej. Jestem zdecydowanie przeciwny japończykom w tym modzie.
It is more of us. I am strongly opposed to the Japanese in this mod.

Last time i checked it...China was not in Europe. I was aiming at the "Finland" argument ;p

To be honest - for me it would be a lot more interesting to play a game about the beggining of the war. In my opinion II WW from 1942-1945 is just too boring after all those movies, games etc. etc.

And I'm not talking just about Poland...but about France or Finland from 1939 - 1940.

If it goes to the Japanese. I would rather see a game about Japanese-Chinese conflict than another shit about the Pacific ;p It's just boring.
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Last edited February 10, 2010 at 9:51 PM by spanishfly