Sneak Peak

A little preview to give you an impression. These are just a few outtakes of our unit and doctrine list. I removed the detailed design descriptions to not bore you. Enjoy.

Infantry Mustering Tent:
Cost: 100 MP, 25 F

Tier 1

Conscripts ( 8 ) – 200 MP
Role: Basic Infantry
Weapons: 4xMosin Nagant
Upgrades: Commissar (100 MP), Molotov Cocktails (10 F)
Abilities: Throw Molotov Cocktail, Motivate

Tier 2

Regulars ( 7 ) –  300 MP
Role: Standard Infantry
Weapons: 7xMosin Nagant
Upgrades: 5xPPSh-41 (75 MUN), 2xPTRD (75 MUN)
Abilities:

Tier 3

Red Guard ( 5 ) –  400 MP
Role: Elite Infantry
Weapons: SVT-40, F-1 Fragmentation Grenade, RPG-43 Anti-Tank Grenade
Upgrades:
Abilities: Throw Frag Grenade; Throw Krak Grenade


Armored Assault Strategy

Combined Arms Warfare
Inspiring Speech - Infantry units sprint for a limited amount of time
Tank Riders - T-34s can now mount Infantry
IL-2 Sturmovik - A squadron of IL-2 Sturmoviks strafes and bombs an area target

Tank Warfare
Mechanics - You can now call in a squad of Mechanics, who can repair and salvage
Advanced Targeting Systems - All T-34 now have the Advanced Optics upgrade
The Juggernaut - An ISU-152 enters the Battlefield

What are Mosin-Nagant/SVT-40/PPSh damage tables compared to vCoH weapons?

They are close to VCoH weapons with slight differences. The Mosin is based on the Kar98, the SVT-40 is based on the G43 and the PPsH uses the MP40 as orientation.

lookin good!

perhaps the guards squad should be smaller?

just that the russians having an elite squad with as many men as volksgrenadiers  might be a problem with balance...4 instead?

I think its fine because surely the guards arnt as elite as grenadiers but should just have an edge over the volksgrenadiers

you cant base the svt-40 on the gew43, the gewer ist scoped and is a one shot one kill rifle.

Yes you can. We have the SVT-40 model ready to replace it, the G-43 is simply a stand in. Also, im the coder, and if i say its not a one shot kill rifle, then it won't be.

it may sound strange but im a coder too

the damage of a kar is 7 the g43 do almost 40 

I think SVT will be based on PE Ranzergrenadiers G-43 rifle. :)

Like I said Sick Boy, I simply change it.

i would not make tank riding a special feature only for one doctrine. it was doine by soviets alle the war on every occasion, so it should be a general soviet tank feature.

how about the KV-1 as first 3CP unit for a Tank-based doc? It could be amix of KT (accuracy, turret moving speed, general speed, long reload time) and churchill, but better vs tanks than Churchill and less rear armor.

Molotow Cocktails were actually a German invention, but i like it to actually have weapons upgrade for fuel. But i would opt for a general barracks upgrade like the bar or nades for maybe 40Fuel or so.

SVT-40 resembles G43 in many ways. actually svt-40 was also often scoped, while g43 was mostly issued without scope. So why not take the same weapon stats for it, makes sense for me.

IL2 has rockets and 20mm MG, so its a pretty powerful attack somewhat like strafingrun+ bombingrun. although its rockets had not much effect against thicker armour and had poor accuracy. maybe ask FH team for models?


I don't think Inspiring Speech is a realistical soviet tactic. Inspiring speeches were only that inspiring with a Maxim next to the speaker. Most soviet soldiers were rather uninterested to die for their country and would rather desert and work for the germans. So i would likelier make that a special feature of the machinegun. Something like: shoots at their own soldier in The duell like fashion (ya know that movie?), but breaks supression and pumps up speed for some time on all units in its arch of fire (greater range than the mg). Maybe commissar can do that too.

Also it would be good to keep capping speed and general speed of the units without fire up and commissar to be rather low - like brits on enemy terrain, but on all terrains.

also i would reduce the regulars to 6, cause the different in guns 7:4 makes the only 100MP cheaper Conscripts rather uninteresting. Also if Mosin nagant is like Kar98k, Volks won't stand a chance against regulars and with the powerful upgrades regulars resemble more the grenadiers, but with vastly bigger squadsize - this is grennie sonly weakness. so 7-men regulars are OP if u ask me, plz make it 6.


i would also love to see a doctrine focused on the massive economical power of the soviets with features such as cheaper tanks (fuel costs lowered as one of their last doc features) and/or lend-lease Vehicles such as american halftrucks, valentine, crusader or mathilda tanks, which were commonly used by the soviets.
well, the studebaker truck is already included in the katyusha model. these were also among the lend-lease gifts...

Last edited October 19, 2008 at 10:04 PM by SniperHans

i belive there is werry litte naval actoin in CoH and the soviets had awsome submarines so its a shame that they cant join the fight.

I think that the isu should be in the urban doctrine instead: the 152 gun was good against buildings not tanks. Perhaps replace it with a call once IS2 ability?

Il2s: should consist of 2 strikes in one
Cannons should use American at guns stats as they're the same size but fire quicker like the armoured car guns
Rockets should do quite heavy damage to tanks but not infantry, and be really inaccurate (8 fired)
U culd also include the grenade showers that the il2s dropped (butterfly bombs without timer or parachute

As for the form of the strike, u could have a "support" strike which is placed on a friendly unit as an ability to call in the strike for muni over the radio, and if the unit is destroyed, the strike can be reallocated or the aircraft will shoot anything in los of that unit and can be reallocated, it would be more like a close support which the Russians used

No navy in coh: maps waaaaaaay too small

Reduce size of regulars as above and guards to 4 men otherwise they're op

Turn inspiring speech into a blitzkrieg assault ability like have tanks drive through buildings and infantry are fired up like airborne
Not unrealistic as post Stalingrad redarmy was mostly comprised of well disciplined and trained regulars not conscripts like 1941.

Kv1 was very common and easily taken out by 88s
It will be a buildable unit, the is2 and t35 will be doctrine abilities I think

T34 upgrade could be more general see my post in soviet suggestions 3 

Here's the thing, the Soviets had more infantry than the Germans.
They just weren't as well equipped or trained.

Just make the Soviet troops less effective and it's more even.

Nothing wrong with a seven-man squad.

The Soviet union had more manpower then Germany. Often in battles it was the same amount of infantry on both side, offcourse sometimes the germans where more and sometimes the soviets where more, but at most battles it was even.

And soviet troops varied much in training and equipment, there was regular citizens taking any weapon they could get. And there was the Soviet stormtroopers, witch was the only soldiers in the world at that time using bodyarmor.

The same was for the germans. They also used citizens, known as the germans volksturm tactic. And the Volkgrenadiers in coh where also sometimes regular citizens, but they where also volkgrenadiers battalions that where veterans from other battalions that was regrouped into volk battalions.

by 1943, most soviets had decent experience or training (most of the conscripts had died in 41-42) therefore this mod is set when the soviet guards would be about as powerful as the grenadiers and regulars as volks

I think the ppsh ought to be modelled more like the stg44 for effect and fire rate: the mp40 is just too weak a basis...

Comments?

Last edited January 8, 2009 at 4:46 PM by vengefulnoob

It all seems pretty head on to me. Just how long exactly have you guys been working on this masterpeice?

i have no idea but i'v been member here sience the summer  ;)

niccceee, looks bloody brilliant. btw i think you should delete the option of retreat because the Soviets did not believe in Retreat. they either died or won. If a soldier retreated then the soviets killed him. If there was a retreat button then i think you should have an Mg team set up permanently in the HQ to slaughter them when they get back.

Ha! ;D that would be fun but actualy i'd say you say wrong when u say soviets didnt belive in retreat, the soldiers retreating were also soviets and i bet they know what they are doing. but i think meybe u dont have a retrat button but instead the troops with low morale retreat by their own and if they have any officers in their squad they wont retreat as much but if they retreat the officer will try and stop them and if unlucky the troops will kill the officer so that they wont get killed bu the krauts. this would be realy cool, anoying, and probably hard to make work. but as some smart guys once said "attack is the best defence!" they dont retreat they just attack in another direction! also the soviet had nothing against falling back, returning to high ground if you know what i mean. btw if u know can make the troops to revolt meybe u shuld have that MG that they will have to kill before getting to HQ. another thing about morale and officer, meybe u culd have a execute abillety, the officer (most likley a commisar in this case) shoots a soldier and makes the other troops fight harder, like seal ind wehrmacht terror dictrine: they fight better with no conserne of their personal healt, or in this case better kill then get killed.

lol what if when whermacht use propaganda war and make soviets retreat, the commisar stays and starts shooting and the men as they retreat lol
;D ;D ;D