Italy?

it will be so much fun if there were italy in the battle

Last edited January 30, 2010 at 12:05 AM by WartyX

Well first there werent many Italians at the Ostfront, but they could be added as one unit but not a whole faction. And Italians were Axis so next time post it to Ostheer.

I love the idea myself

If done right then yes (think condor legionish')

Or you can just make it specific doctrine for the ostheer.

I agree with the Italians in the game IF you bring in another Allied Faction... don't know who though....

hgghg4 wrote:
I agree with the Italians in the game IF you bring in another Allied Faction... don't know who though....

uhh why if? what are you gonna do if they don't :P

well just saying it be more cooler

jamevuong wrote:
well just saying it be more cooler

yeah but their not gonna change the old factions so.........

what if they do....to get more popular

jamevuong wrote:
what if they do....to get more popular

I doubt many would like their US/UK faction messed up.

jamevuong wrote:
what if they do....to get more popular

they already said that they will not change the old factions

Sovereign wrote:
If done right then yes (think condor legionish')

Uhhh... weren´t the Condor Legion a unit that fought in the Spanish Civil War? And I think they were German fighter and bomber pilots...

jamevuong wrote:
it will be so much fun if there were italy in the battle

If you want to see nothing worth troops

Perhaps one of the doctrines or an ability for the Ostheer could represent the Axis satellite armies (Romanian, Hungarian, Finnish Italian, Slovak) and fascist volunteers from occupied Europe (Belgian, Danish, Norwegian, Dutch).

They definitely didn't make up the bulk of the German army, but I think their numbers on the eastern front were large enough to justify a representation in the Ostheer. Though I wouldn't go as far as calling it "necessary".

Just of the top my head, a few ways to represent the satellites through doctrine abilities

- Romanian oil: Temporarily increases your oil production or like "Resource Blitz" a large oil bonus added to your resource pool. During WW2 Romania's oil production was definitely vital to the German war effort. It's no stretch to say that a lot of German tanks on the eastern front ran on Romanian oil

- Hungarian Toldi: Call in a Hungarian Toldi light tank.  This would be the equivalent of the Russian T-70. A fast light tank, useful in the early game but no match for heavier armor like the T-34. (Plus, it's pretty tank :D)

- Captured T-34:  Call in a T34/76. In the early stages of the war, German success on the eastern front allowed them to capture a large number of T-34/76's. Satellite armies would gladly use them as they were far superior to their own equipment.

Wiking combat group : Call in the equivalent of the American "Off-map combat group", but with armor. The 5th SS Panzer Division "Wiking", was an armored division made up out of volunteers from occupied Europe (mostly Danish, Flemish, Dutch and Norwegian). It was considered an elite panzer division.

I just realised I didn't add anything Italian ;D

Captain Corelli's mandolin:: Call in a squad of Italian infantry costing very little manpower. They play music and seduce Russian women, lowering Russian manpower rate because of lower birth-rate.

Last edited January 30, 2010 at 4:34 PM by Rhio

I like that all ;D (besides the last one) just make the Italians have some troops that fight rather than seduce   

Random suggestion, but (for a future mod not based around the eastern front) what about the desert rats and the Afrika korps?

that's already done just look for it but now back on topic I'd love to see Italy have a 6 or so man squad (maybe 6 is to much? how about 4?)

ford_prefect wrote:
I like that all ;D (besides the last one) just make the Italians have some troops that fight rather than seduce   

I hope it's obvious I meant the last one as a joke ;D
And like I said, even the rest is a vague suggestion at the most.

The only note-worthy Italian infantry on the eastern front I can think of right away would be the Alpini corps. Perhaps as a sort of Storm Trooper. As far as armour goes, they only had light tanks like the L6 and I just like the Toldi better ;D

For infantry, I'd much rather see some squads from the foreigners in the Waffen-SS. Though treated as second class soldiers, they often were the most fanatic and were excellent soldiers. (They were also collaborators and traitors, but let's not get political)

what about the semovente series tank destroyers? the best of those had a 105mm gun on it.

jamevuong wrote:
it will be so much fun if there were italy in the battle

YES!!good idea! i'm Italian and this feature will be intresting,it also makes the game more popular and various ;D for the next mod i suggest 2 new factions: italian ad japanese (it would be a dream)

Romanian force will be a great improvement for this mod,because this country has been an very  important,powerful and helpful german allied in eastern front war.One important part of the initial success of germans in eastern front is due to the romanians help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_during_World_War_II

http://www.worldwar2.ro/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Crimea_(1941)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Offensive_(1944)
The war on the Eastern Front

Operation Barbarossa, attacking the Soviet Union on a wide front. Romania joined in the offensive, with Romanian troops crossing the River Prut. After recovering Bessarabia and Bukovina (Operation München), Romanian units fought side by side with the Germans onward to Odessa, Sevastopol, and Stalingrad. The Romanian contribution of troops was enormous. The total number of troops involved in the Romanian Third Army and the Romanian Fourth Army was second only to Nazi Germany itself. The Romanian Army had a total of 686,258 men under arms in the summer of 1941 and a total of 1,224,691 men in arms in the summer of 1944.[3] The number of Romanian troops sent to fight in Russia exceeded that of all of Germany's other allies combined.
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This Romanian tank look wonderful.
Also was so appreciated by germans,who took the project and make Hetzer.
http://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=244
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Romanian AT gun,used in eastern front => better than german pak40
Is somewhere between zis-3 and pak-40 
http://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=300

Last edited February 2, 2010 at 11:03 AM by PSIHOPAT

that tank looks like a modified version of da vinci tank... ;D

Probably...

But was so good in battle...and germans used the romanian project to develop hetzer(zero knowledge before), and later other tank hunter models...like jagtpanther....

Germans has used projects from many nations,with their approval or not,and creating general opinion to be the super smartest country in WW2 period.

Last edited February 2, 2010 at 2:12 PM by PSIHOPAT

No, no...
Romanian faction ought to be pure germans :)
And soviet army too should be pure germans :)
And brits too!

We all know WW2 was won by the USA against
the Germans (Everyone else) ;)

PSIHOPAT wrote:
Probably...

But was so good in battle...and germans used the romanian project to develop hetzer(zero knowledge before), and later other tank hunter models...like jagtpanther....

Hmm no the germans have already Stugs and starting to develope Jagdpanzer IV and hetzer they send enginers to Romania to help improve that Maresal Tank destroyer... ;)

Lol Italy in WW2, yeah it would be a hell of a faction,
Abilities :
Italian Retreat- provides speed and armor bonuses to Retreat, no one will catch us now !
German support- replaces all your Italian units with german ones, cause we cant win on our own. -.-;

Einherjar wrote:
German support- replaces all your Italian units with german ones, cause we cant win on our own. -.-;

Well this would atleast be historical accurate xD. One problem with Itas was that they always needed german support to push back the allied. Take the Africa Korps, Itas held their pos but couldnt get forward, Germans arrived and were done in a few weeks. So Itallians would be like a german conscript squad with more guns.

Indeed my friend.
The Italians also failed to capture Greece, which was obviously a lesser power, and then, once again the germans came and secured axis domination.
Of course i have nothing againts Italians, i'm sure they are fine people and have a legecy to be proud of, but the Italians army has nothing to offer the title "Company of HEROES".

Einherjar wrote:
Indeed my friend.
The Italians also failed to capture Greece, which was obviously a lesser power, and then, once again the germans came and secured axis domination.
Of course i have nothing againts Italians, i'm sure they are fine people and have a legecy to be proud of, but the Italians army has nothing to offer the title "Company of HEROES".

of course,but it's historically wrong,Italian Army was present in Russia With 230.000 Soldiers,they had bad equipments but they fought with honour being useful to the Germans against first Soviet's assault...
i've posted some things in the other topic...

http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=1531.msg26075#new

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparti_italiani_al_fronte_orientale#Le_perdite

lol,but you forgotten one ability:declare the war  your allies
change the axis side for the allies and declare the war  germany.
xD

good post einherjar.

from wikipedia:
Total Death Axis side:
Greater Germany 3,985,009
Soviet citizens in German army 215,000+
Hungary 300,000
Romania 281,000
Italy 82,000
Finland 63,204
Slovakia 1,865

i say do nothing with Italy but make an Ostlegionen Command Tree. and make the other 2 just Wehrmacht like.

pillboxphil wrote:
what about the semovente series tank destroyers? the best of those had a 105mm gun on it.

The Semovente probably was the best armor the Italians built during the war. However, as far as I know, no Semoventes were deployed to the eastern front.

And I think some people are getting a bit ahead of themselves wanting an entirely new faction for Italy or Romania. Their part was far too small to justify their own faction and let's not forget they were the German's weakest link (e.g. The encirclement of Stalingrad was achieved by breaking the line at the Italian section). Not because they were inferior soldiers, but their equipment was incredibly poor and no match for the Russian tanks.

A few units or abilities would be nice, but nothing more.

just make 1 command tree based on: Russian Liberation Army, Hilfswilliger or Ostlegionen. no special 1 country, you can just say ingame: my army is from Italy or where you want them to come from.

Yeah, that was my thought too :)

Rhio wrote:
Perhaps one of the doctrines or an ability for the Ostheer could represent the Axis satellite armies [...]

Would be awesome to "buy" few units from allied countries,with command points.