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ISU-152

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#23585

ISU-152

It appears to be a super jadgpanther with tiger tank mobilty. when properly supported its unstoppabe but when left alone its little more than an expensive stug. my point is I think we should have a strategy page just for this kill weapon I mean come it can destroy a tiger tank in 4 hits :D
#23613

Re: ISU-152

the best way ive found to kill it is to ambush it. try luring it away from the main battle with an expenseve unit (a tiger, KT, a few panthers) while holding up the rest of the soviet force, get it isolated and then hit it from the sides and rear with camo AT or stormtroopers with Panzer schreck, make him think hes winning and them crush him.
#23639

Re: ISU-152

Two well played Panthers are deadly for the ISU-152. Try to circle it with your faster Panthers. The tank will be at the disadvantage, on account of his slow and dull mobility.
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#23642

Re: ISU-152

This beast is slow but dangerous. I witness  one quite successful tactic where a a friend of mine, PE commander, put upgraded tank buster squad in a halftrack and used a scout car to tease ISU between buildings until halftrack came from behind and simply cruse while Schrecks did their job (quite well might I add). the ISU tried to turn but not for a second did he had the halftrack in sights and some inf. sent to support the ISU was quickly disposed by a halftrack - mortar... It was well played but the point is, speed is the greatest ally against any heavy uber-tank. Use it to your advantage!
#23668

Re: ISU-152

I m also looking for advice on how u use it personally and what u support it with.
#23754

Re: ISU-152


It's like an uber but flawed KT. Support it the same way :)
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#24074

Re: ISU-152

Being slow is its only disadvanteg.... :'(
#24264

Re: ISU-152

thatguy wrote:
I m also looking for advice on how u use it personally and what u support it with.


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#24477

Re: ISU-152

2 vehicles to nullify an ISU-152:
ATHT + treabreaker and 1 marder

works also against an IS-2 because the marder has a higher range than the IS-2
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#25505

Re: ISU-152

Whoever says the ISU-152 is a good tank, has no idea what they are talking about ^-^

It has no turret, its extremely slow, it fires like once a day, and its easily flanked, circle strafed and destroyed. It's nothing more than a huge waste of 1000MP against good players.
#25529

Re: ISU-152

Look, the ISU-152 is effective against tanks and buildings. So either upgrade a Grenadier squad with two Panzershreck or go become the tank destroyer with the PE. The ISU-152 is no match for the power of the Jadgpanther, which is faster, and can be veted to have triple armor or triple attack.
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#29010

Re: ISU-152

Hope Ostheer will have an Elephant becouse I like the concept of a very slow and very big SP gun.
My Ostheer concept.
#31294

Re: ISU-152

Just like the KT it needs a lot of support! But it can be devastating.

My favourite tactic against human players anyway is somewhat phsycological. Lure it in and isolate it then swarm in with anything you have, circle and hit it with tanks. The player will usually panic and withdraw it and without a turret you can chase and hit in the behind.
#31297

Re: ISU-152

What do you all mean by KT ?
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#31299

Re: ISU-152

Akalonor wrote:
What do you all mean by KT ?
I presume they meant KV-2...but had a typo?
#31306

Re: ISU-152

KT=King Tiger

Sorry for the accronyms, they seem to be all the rage these days.
#31442

Re: ISU-152

Lol, Panzer 4 or even an UpGunned Puma can defeat a unsupported ISU-152, JUST saying xD. Im just happy to use that tactic vs an allied player for once, Ive always had the un expected Stuart or Greyhound "surprise attack" do it to my unsupported Marders or StuGs
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#31523

Re: ISU-152

I once had an unsupported stug get killed by a single greyhound, the greyhound would fire, the Stug would turn.. the greyhound would circle around the back and fire again and it kept on doing so.
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#31772

Re: ISU-152

I heard using Treadbreaker, then going behind the ISU 152 with Marder III and Panther works. I heard using Treadbreaker then Henschel is excellent too. I think circling around the ISU 152 even with Panzer IV works.
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#31866

Re: ISU-152

I dont get it either... the ISU-152 didnt even have that good of armor(gun = 152mm, armor = 3.55in, max speed = 22.98mph) in my opinion, we should switch the isu 152 and the IS-2. The IS-2 "victory tank" was the real beast of the war. (gun = 122mm, armor = 6.30in, max speed = 22.98mph) and the IS-2 had a turret the ISU-152 did not. Both of them had good guns, and decent speed, however, the IS-2 had better armor.
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#38645

Re: ISU-152

comrade2012 wrote:
I dont get it either... the ISU-152 didnt even have that good of armor(gun = 152mm, armor = 3.55in, max speed = 22.98mph) in my opinion, we should switch the isu 152 and the IS-2. The IS-2 "victory tank" was the real beast of the war. (gun = 122mm, armor = 6.30in, max speed = 22.98mph) and the IS-2 had a turret the ISU-152 did not. Both of them had good guns, and decent speed, however, the IS-2 had better armor.

I like it.
+1
There would be no IS-2 spams and T-34 would be the main battle tank, as it was.
IS-2 could then dig itself in like in 1.00 version of EF.
SU-152 wouldnt need an ambush ability. Even small SU-85 guns cant ambush.
SU-152 should then also get Churchills armor, 800-1000HP but should cost 550-600MP.
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#38646

Re: ISU-152

Paciat wrote:
comrade2012 wrote:
I dont get it either... the ISU-152 didnt even have that good of armor(gun = 152mm, armor = 3.55in, max speed = 22.98mph) in my opinion, we should switch the isu 152 and the IS-2. The IS-2 "victory tank" was the real beast of the war. (gun = 122mm, armor = 6.30in, max speed = 22.98mph) and the IS-2 had a turret the ISU-152 did not. Both of them had good guns, and decent speed, however, the IS-2 had better armor.

I like it.
+1
There would be no IS-2 spams and T-34 would be the main battle tank, as it was.
IS-2 could then dig itself in like in 1.00 version of EF.
SU-152 wouldnt need an ambush ability. Even small SU-85 guns cant ambush.
SU-152 should then also get Churchills armor, 800-1000HP but should cost 550-600MP.


+1 good point!
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#38658

Re: ISU-152

A jagdpanther didn't have better armour than a normal panther either...but in game it has the best armour of all vehicles by far.

Once again...this isn't realism....

IS2 was about as numerous as a panther in the Eastern front...if not more. It was also a Breakthrough tank....not dug in for static defense.

We're not turning the iSu into a glorified churchill/Stuh, no.
It remains the Soviets 'super tank' of sorts...or anti-super tank really
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#38659

Re: ISU-152

Zerstörer wrote:
A jagdpanther didn't have better armour than a normal panther either...but in game it has the best armour of all vehicles by far.

Once again...this isn't realism....

IS2 was about as numerous as a panther in the Eastern front...if not more. It was also a Breakthrough tank....not dug in for static defense.

We're not turning the iSu into a glorified churchill/Stuh, no.
It remains the Soviets 'super tank' of sorts...or anti-super tank really


So why EF team have put it in tank hall? It should be the "super tank" of breakthrough doctrine!!  :D
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#38663

Re: ISU-152

Zerstörer wrote:
Once again...this isn't realism....

IS2 was about as numerous as a panther in the Eastern front...if not more. It was also a Breakthrough tank....not dug in for static defense.

Numbers of axis and allied tanks shouldnt be compared.
PzIV ~9.000      Sherman and T-34 ~40.000
Sdkfz234 ~500  M-8 ~8.000

So IS-2 should be in a brakethru doctrine tank that is as better than Tiger I but not as powerfull as the King of Tigers.
IS-2 that can dig itself sounds fun - "this isn't realism"
Everyone will be happy that breakethru gives Soviets a really usefull tank. Right now SU is too slow to fire its gun at the enemy. It think it will never be worth 1000MP.

1.20 will need ballancing (becouse of retreat) so a quick 1.21 could also reballance the SU-152 and IS-2 switch.
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#38675

Re: ISU-152

The comparison is drawn between the IS-2 and Panther because in terms of numbers, and abilities they were well matched. If the panther is built on map, then it makes 100% sense that the Soviets build the IS2 on map as well to match it. Its not another Tiger/Pershing copy for the soviets

IS2 and ISU roles will remain as they are. We are balancing the 1.2, we're not just chucking in the retreat and vet  ;)
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#38703

Re: ISU-152

Thank goodness for that. Shiny new toys aren't that great when it ruins playability.
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#38938

Re: ISU-152

Zerstörer wrote:
A jagdpanther didn't have better armour than a normal panther either...but in game it has the best armour of all vehicles by far.

Once again...this isn't realism....

IS2 was about as numerous as a panther in the Eastern front...if not more. It was also a Breakthrough tank....not dug in for static defense.

We're not turning the iSu into a glorified churchill/Stuh, no.
It remains the Soviets 'super tank' of sorts...or anti-super tank really


ACTUALLY, since most Panthers were on the Eastern Front I think it would be safe to say that there were many, many more Panthers in Russia than there were ISU-152's.
Here are some links for the production numbers:

http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/vehiclesarmor/p/panther.htm

http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=85

AND from what I know, the ISU-152 was also very much similar to the King Tiger in regards to reliability. Yeah, it performed fantastic, IF it could reach the battle, in turn, slowly developed into a defensive tank. I like how you guys made the ISU152, and keep it that way, please, but I thoughtit was a little fishy from the statement "It was more than the Panther" ;)
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#38973

Re: ISU-152

He said IS 2 more than panther not ISU 152
#39010

Re: ISU-152

hofgeneric wrote:
He said IS 2 more than panther not ISU 152

Oh wow, good point. Granted the Panther still outnumbered the IS2 by @1800, so yeah he was right......I obviously wasnt reading correctly, thanks Hofgeneric
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#44323

Re: ISU-152

V1 Missile... 'nough said
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#44393

Re: ISU-152

What happens if your not terror? Or if you don't have Munis? Or you already used it?
The Russians think there sooo tough, wait till the Ostheer comes...

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#45963

Re: ISU-152

V1 missle....nough said.....b/c Im a total noob
Woooooooooooooooooooow.You think your tough huh? Take away the keyboard
#46218

Re: ISU-152

Sadly Ill have to agree with FGermans.....if your main goal in Terror is to use a V1....well...yeah, you dont know what youre doing
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#46423

Re: ISU-152

FGermans-ThGermanElite@ Since you're the same person, avoid double posting and having a discussion with yourself or indeed confirming you opinions under a different username. I will only say this once  >:(
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#46425

Re: ISU-152

Lol. Now that's just sad. ;D
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#46499

Re: ISU-152

Lol. Nice one Jerry.
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#46556

Re: ISU-152

Thats crazy ::)
The Russians think there sooo tough, wait till the Ostheer comes...

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#46563

Re: ISU-152

You hit him hard Zerstörer :-\...
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#46566

Re: ISU-152

Owned 8)
The Russians think there sooo tough, wait till the Ostheer comes...

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#46581

Re: ISU-152

Whats this crap? FGermans is my best friend of 13 years, so don't automatically assume that its the same person, idiot.

Edit:Stop talking shit. We can tell duplicate accounts. I'm only giving out one last warning, so drop the smart ass attitude and move ON.
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Last edited September 6, 2010 at 8:48 PM by Zerstörer

#46584

Re: ISU-152

First of all you sound just like him and it seems like "both" of you don't like Lordrommel. Do you guys live in the same house?
The Russians think there sooo tough, wait till the Ostheer comes...

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#46589

Re: ISU-152

ThGermanElite wrote:
Whats this crap? FGermans is my best friend of 13 years, so don't automatically assume that its the same person, idiot.

calm down, man, no need to insult other people  ::)
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#46592

Re: ISU-152

I don't see why you react like that @ThGermanElite, but you should listen @Ghost advice... this behavior is inappropriate.

EDIT:
I'll lock this thread, because:

1)It's becoming a flame war.
2)Off-topic from a while ago.
3)Devs know the ISU-152' situation and they know what to do.

thatguy please send me a pm if you want it opened again.
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Last edited September 6, 2010 at 7:19 PM by blackbishop