Most wanted tanks?

I would be interested how it looks here in the forum.

Strumtiger just to see the kind of damage it would do

WAAAAAAAAAY to many choices dude :P also I want the panzer .5!!!!

I voted Panzer II Ausf. C, Panzer III Ausf. L and Stug III. Actually, I can't be sodded with the Stug III, but since there was no Panzer 38(t) in there, I voted for it anyway... as it would have been my 4th choice :P

Also... Panther Ausf. F? None saw combat, so I doubt that'll get in, and accounts of whether the Kugelblitz was ever used are sketchy. Speaking of Balls, the Kugelpanzer would be a fun addition ;D

I voted for the Sturmtiger and the Elefant...I'm sick of short-dick PE-like vehicles that can't even properly stand up to a Sherman on their own. :'(

haha, but then 'PE shouldnt even be considered a faction' should they chancellor :p  i voted stug III, panzer III and elefant. Im also with burro on wanting to see a 38t, i think the smaller axis tanks are somewhat overlooked in coh.

Tiger II with Henschel-turret, heavy Sturmgeschütz Ferdinandt ( Elefant ) and Panzer III Ausf. N with 7,5cm KwK L/24.

( Plz; not again Jagdtiger and Sturmtiger :'( - they are western front units!!! BOTH )

luz777 wrote:
haha, but then 'PE shouldnt even be considered a faction' should they chancellor :p  i voted stug III, panzer III and elefant. Im also with burro on wanting to see a 38t, i think the smaller axis tanks are somewhat overlooked in coh.

right I wanted the panzer .5....

Pz38(t) is interesting tank, but in 1943+... ?
Same with Pz1, etc :)

As for Lord Rommel, he'd like nothing more than to have
6800x 300t+ Axis tanks at the beginning of each fight. Each
elite, each indestructible, each ultra uber powerful with mega
long range and ultra high rates of fire :)

- I want Wespe to be in the game. It should have been
in-game before the Hummel if anything.

- And, I know they said wouldn't change original factions,
but, ah, if could change the 105mm Priest (British/Arty)
for a sexon with 25lbr, I'd be happy :)

I will see heavy tanks but no heavy tank that wasnt at the eastern front ;)

Elefant would be cool, because it is a symbole for one of the biggest battles on earth ( Kursk ).

Panzer III Ausf. N would ne cool, because it is a cool support unit for heavy units and with special Hohlladungsgranaten ( hollow charge anti tank granates ) he is able to fight against tanks ^^

And Kingtiger with Henschel turret would be cool because the Porsche turret is SO UGLY ( and the Porsche turret had a construction misstake which cost some tigerman their life... ).

luz777 wrote:
haha, but then 'PE shouldnt even be considered a faction' should they chancellor :p  i voted stug III, panzer III and elefant. Im also with burro on wanting to see a 38t, i think the smaller axis tanks are somewhat overlooked in coh.

Honestly except for the Bergetiger, the PE has NOTHING that the Wehrmacht can't do better.  I'd rather have vet3 grenadiers over panzergrenadiers or vet3 flamers over fallschrimjagers any day.  And compared to Wehrmacht vehicles, the PE tanks / vehicles are a joke...just look at the Hotchkiss.  For those pussy-tank lovers, ladies and gentlemen; the PE Panzer IV stubby tank is NOT the infantry killer the noobs think it is.  When you face the Airborne RR mob, it lacks the range to kite and the health points to engage...an Ostwind does the job much better.

Therefore, PE brings NOTHING to the Axis playing table.  I just hope the Ostheer will be different.

We have Allied Pershings and Kangaroos and Soviet IS-2s to deal with and people are voting for early Panzer III tanks?  Hell even the Panzer IV has some trouble with a Sherman.

- Chancellor : I think USA, Brits, PE, Soviets and OstHeer
cannot possibly be as good as Wehr. We should thus remove
all those factions out and only do Wehr vs Wehr battles.
Then it would all be about SKILL !!! :) And no one would
say anything about lack of balance :)

But then, people would say White is better than Black, or
Black is better than White... (Chess mentality) :)

- Lord Rommel : Oh, I'm fine with Elefant (should be called
JagTiger, and JagTiger be called the JagKing, but, eh)
  ... but only one at a time, yes? I saw a proposal saying
to do a call-in (3) of them at a time :p Ack!!

Loupblanc wrote:

- Chancellor : I think USA, Brits, PE, Soviets and OstHeer
cannot possibly be as good as Wehr. We should thus remove
all those factions out and only do Wehr vs Wehr battles.
Then it would all be about SKILL !!! :) And no one would
say anything about lack of balance :)

Haha, quite.
I don't play CoH online nor really taking gaming that seriously so people complaining about all this percieved lack of balance is quite funny to me.

As for people voting for "pussy tanks" I think most people want to see historical units that were used and have as thus been overlooked for an axis side. Or maybe its just a conspiracy by "noobs" to upset hardcore CoH players??  :o

You would probably have been better off not having so many variations as options, e.g. just the Panzer II.

QuoteHaha, quite.
I don't play CoH online nor really taking gaming that seriously so people complaining about all this percieved lack of balance is quite funny to me.

Then go back and hide in your skirmish games and don't talk about MP balance with people that actually play online.

With that, I'm done here on these forums.  Just gonna put my faith in the devs on the balance.

Last edited January 9, 2010 at 9:53 PM by WartyX

why do i have a feeling the russian sensor is going over this topic ah i see warty used the russian sledge hammer to clear stuff up =]

I simply fixed the broken quote tags.

Haha, angry internet people  ::)

I'm most definately some kind of luddite for saying this but I actually prefer the Porche KT turret over the Henshel one  ;D

i never use the kt bcouse it sux they say its a spundge i just kill it whit riflemen and zookas

I voted King Tiger w/henchel turret, Jagdtiger, and Nashorn. All good vs tanks which I love killing ;D

- I vote M1Abrams :)

Voted Elefant, StuG III and PzKpfW. III Ausf. E.

However, my full list would be those:

Elefant, Tiger I, Panther, Pz IV Ausf. H, Pz III 3.7 cm KwK, StuG III Ausf. G, Pz 38 (t), Brummbär and perhaps Nashorn and JgdPz IV.

I think Ostheer needs at least one German early-war tanks like the Pz III to kill those freaking T17, Stuarts and T-70.

Also, no Sturmtiger, Jagdtiger or whatever. Maybe for campaign, but not for MP. I really hate those German Elite units in CoH... (Except Tiger I and Elefant!)

"I think Ostheer needs at least one German early-war tanks like the Pz III to kill those freaking T17, Stuarts and T-70."
couldn't agree with you more

I think Panzer III would be great because it is not a light tank, it is the german medium tank! It is a quiet good tank ( russian militairs said 1940 that Panzer III is better then T-34 Prototype - after this they reworked T-34 xD ) which can fight in many roles!

Normal version as alrounder. Longer 5cm ( L/60 ) KwK against vehicles and 7,5cm L/24 against infantry ( and here perhaps as ability the hollow charge anti tank granates ).

What Rommel means is that KT and Maus are more fun
than Pz3 because they are not light tanks :) They ought to
be brought out at same time as PE brings out Kettenkrad
because, well, because... germans are Uber! Yeah! :D

I wish for the final eastern front (including the Ostheer), that of the königstiger of the Wehrmacht will be exchanged by a königstiger (henschel)
and immediately switches to the Ostheer.
The Wehrmacht should then get the Jagdtiger.
Otherwise, I hope for the Ostheer of the elefant and the wespe. with a panzer III also had something.

Loupblanc wrote:

What Rommel means is that KT and Maus are more fun
than Pz3 because they are not light tanks :) They ought to
be brought out at same time as PE brings out Kettenkrad
because, well, because... germans are Uber! Yeah! :D

No. You dont understand me!
Heavy Tanks are important for german armoured troops
because they are a symbole for german late warfare.
BUT Kingtiger is the end of this armoured warfare!
Tanks like Sturmtiger and Jagdtiger are western front units and a tank like the Maus or E-100 is not an option for company of heroes.

So i think the Ostheer have to found a compromise between heavy and medium/light tanks.
Heavy weapons like Elefant or Tiger II should be a fear factor on battlefield but the mainpart of the armoured troops should represented by one of germanys mainbattletanks like Panzer III oder Panzer IV.
Both could deal with T-34 and infantry so both are able to fight against russian mainarmoured.

So i would be happy to see a Panzer III as medium standart tank and some heavy tanks for the doctrins.
I would not be happy to see JAGDTIGER, STURMTIGER ( western front units ) and MAUS, E-100 ( too heavy - unbalanced - unreal - crazy ).

EvilSpike : Anything change with Wehr won't be done,
because the scope of this mod is to add new factions -
not change existing vanilla ones. Otherwise, I would ask
DEMAND that British Priest can be replaced by SEXON!!!
Replace Churchill-AVRE with reward unit Bishop :)
Priest 105mm replace Sherman Callioppe (Reward) or
105mm Howitzer (Reward). And...

it's not much different from what YOU ask ;) Is it?

The... annoying? thing is that Wehr was done as a sort
of penultimate of all german armies thrown into one. The
VolkGrenadier aren't young/old people, etc. It'd help if
could dilute/rebalance Wehr and redistribute... Hmm.

Well, Iron Cross is a good idea as to what I mean, a lot.
Please take a look at it :) / Now, without changing Wehr,
it becomes a whole different ballgame.

Lord Rommel : no, KT is not the end all :) JagTiger is :)
Elephant is a Jag Tiger.
JagTiger is a Jag... King Tiger.

Just like ISU152 is a jag IS2 :)

And just admit it. You just want land-Bismark BB as
starting unit :)

Loupblanc wrote:

Lord Rommel : no, KT is not the end all :) JagTiger is :)
Elephant is a Jag Tiger.
JagTiger is a Jag... King Tiger.

...

Oh man! What is wrong with you?
The Elefant is the Elefant, mounted on the chassis of the Porsche Tiger.
And JagDtiger is the Jagdtiger, mounted on the chassis of the Kingtiger-Version.
And Kingtiger is the armoured end at the eastern front.

Personally I'm with Lord Rommel on the axis armour for EF. Theres no real need for including all the uber axis tanks that are included in CoH plus those that arent (Sturmtiger and Jagdtiger).

I'd like to see the heavy tanks be the Elefant and Kingtiger (that way I can swap the Wehr Kingtiger for Mr. Scruffs brilliant Jagdtiger but still have a KT in game). It'd be cool to see the Ostheer backed up by medium tanks like Panzer III's and StuG III's, with smaller tanks like the 38t and Panzer I.

Cheers

- I still think JagTiger could be called JagDKing and
Elephant/Ferdinand ought to be called JagDTigers :p
Oh well.

... Panzer1 ? Panzer 2 before Panzer 1 !!! LOL

I know it needs Wespe though :)

Lets have in count there must be some tivy historical accuracy, because sending Panzer Is and IIs against T-34 and IS-2 is kinda ridiculious.

About the whole Jagdtiger issue, the problem is how to include it, as a doctrin unit or how? Because if we are already including Tigers and Elephants we are giving too much heavy armor to axis.

I suggest to include the Jagdtiger in the Ostheer Campaign to put it in some use.

Off topic: Im the only spanish speaker of the forum?

QuoteLets have in count there must be some tivy historical accuracy, because sending Panzer Is and IIs against T-34 and IS-2 is kinda ridiculious.

But not so ridiculous to send one after infantry targets or light tanks or soft targets.  Not all tanks have to be used as mainline units.  Would you send a Stuart against a Tiger or a Hotchkiss or Puma against a Pershing?

Perhaps the Panzer I could be used as a sort of super jeep.  Only LMGs but good armour against rifle fire (but not AP machine guns).  Like a puma but much earlier on, smaller and much less firepower.

Loupblanc wrote:
... Panzer1 ? Panzer 2 before Panzer 1 !!! LOL

Well if you have the 38t theres no real need for a Panzer II...except as a reward unit  ;)

I do think the Wespe needs a place somewhere though.

Ryousan wrote:Lets have in count there must be some tivy historical accuracy, because sending Panzer Is and IIs against T-34 and IS-2 is kinda ridiculious.

As GI John said you obviously wouldn't send light tanks against heavy tanks...or would you?  :P

3 Hotchkiss vs IS 2

And if you talk about realism then the Jagdtiger should not be included in the Ostheer, as stated on the last page it was a Western Front Unit, give or take maybe one or two late war engagements.

GI wrote:Perhaps the Panzer I could be used as a sort of super jeep.  Only LMGs but good armour against rifle fire (but not AP machine guns).  Like a puma but much earlier on, smaller and much less firepower.

My thoughts exactly  :)

Cheers

Last edited January 12, 2010 at 11:47 AM by luz777

GI wrote:
But not so ridiculous to send one after infantry targets or light tanks or soft targets.  Not all tanks have to be used as mainline units.  Would you send a Stuart against a Tiger or a Hotchkiss or Puma against a Pershing?

The Panzer I and II were outdated when the Operation Barbarossa started, the mainstay of axis armored forces were the panzers III, to deal against against infantery and soft targets they relayed mainly in halftracks and armored cars.

yea. I could tolerate Pz3 at worse, even throwing in
an update improving it's gun (L)(J)? if needed (75muni?)
But, ahh...

Pz1 ? Nooo way.

Pz2 and Pz38(t) are stretching it. ALTHOUGH I know they
were used early on. Vs T26's and BT's :) (Must get those
in-game, lol). Ok, make a deal. Allow 'em as reward units
if T26/BT make it in too :) Deal? :)

If the devs are happy to make them, I'm happy to make a deal haha  :D

There is only 1 tank on my mind, and it is not even listed: Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus (Sd.Kfz 205) Only deployed against the USSR near the end of the war, it was by far larger than the King Tiger!

... and never used.
Get over it. Maus is just unrealistic, dumb and doesn't fit into the Ostheer, same on Sturmtiger and Jagdtiger.

Furthermore I fully agree with Loup. No Pz I. Pz II maybe, but Pz III and Pz 38(t) fit by far better into CoH.  :)

Last edited January 13, 2010 at 1:21 PM by Aouch

Panzer IIIs are a must have if we are talking of the Ostheer, about the early Panzer models, im not quite sure...they were outdated even by lightest of russian armor I even read somewhere that the Stuart had a bigger gun and better traits that the Panzers I and II.

Aye the Stuart would easily be able to take on a Panzer I or II, the idea for the Panzer I would be as a scout and anti-infantry unit though, like a tough bike, or Bren Carrier type of roll.

I can't really see the need for a Panzer II unless its the Flammpanzer "Flamingo" varient, again used to kill infantry.

Just because its a tank doesn't mean it has to be used against other tanks. You'd never attack a Panzer IV with a Bren Carrier, so why attack a T-34 with a Panzer I?

As for the Maus, noooooooooooooooooo.  ;D

Im not suggeting that Im dumb enough to sent a light tank against a Heavy Tank, Hat im saying is that there are other kind of vehicles that were more fit for the role of scouting or skirmishing.

But I see your point.

Panzer II would be a light tank capable of taking down infantry, its gun would be much like a Puma's. It doesn't need to be the flamingo version to take down infantry, it had enough killing power against infantry on its own. 2 of these things grouped together would quickly turn conscripts into matryoshkas.

Yea, I'm with him on that one.
Pz2 is like a tracked Puma, just about.
That can't have a 50mm upgrade.

Loupblanc wrote:

Yea, I'm with him on that one.
Pz2 is like a tracked Puma, just about.
That can't have a 50mm upgrade.

but instead a flamethrower upgrade?

Maybe, maybe not, if its necessary I would imagine so.
Thats if a Panzer II is even included  :P

Oh and Ryousan, I didn't mean you personally, just in general  :)

Flammpanzer II Flamingo was different structural wise to the normal PzII wasn't it? Maybe not an upgrade. Possible replacement reward? Could be.



2 frontal Flamethrowers though... would be a laugh ;D

I'm totally for flammpanzer. Pz2 in the Puma role :)
Reward unit? I'm fine with that. As long as it has high fuel
cost (Crodocile vs Sherman , for example). (Well Pz2 compared
to Sherman Croc, smaller unit, less fuel of course) :)

... as long as it is HOT CANDY PINK! :)

Aye its those two mini-turret things on the front corners, plus it still has and MG-34 in the main turret. It was designed foe the Eastern Front but the armour kind of let it down.

Reward units are awesome haha, so many more possibilites.
Speaking of the Panzer I, was the model Mr.Scruff (RIP) made ready to be used, along with the Sdkfz 11 halfrack, Armoured Car and Kubelwagon?

Or will they be made again from scratch?

Flammenwerferpanzer III ( flamethrower tank III ) ->
This tank look like the normal Panzer III Ausf. J version, just
the flamethrower-tube is bigger then the normal 5cm KwK ;)