#15741
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Hello dear Eastern Front Forum.
While reading the armory information table on moddb.com, I've found some errors which I wanted to post here.
First of all, The SU-85 didn't have "cage armour", this type of armour has not been used during WW2. Cage armour or also called "bar armor, slat armor, and standoff armor" (Heavy or layered armor) was designed AFTER WW2 to protect vehicles against anti tank rocket-propelled grenades, not anti tank rounds used by tank guns (which means the given information is totally wrong).
Cage armor can easily be defeated by APCR and HVAP (High Velocity Armour Piercing) tank rounds mostly used by the 75mm of the Panther or the 88mm KwK from the Tiger.
In other words: EVEN IF the SU-85 had cage armor (WHICH WAS NOT IN USE DURING WW2!), it could not survive a direct hit by a high velocity AP round.
By the end of WW2 though (1945), many Russian tanks such as the IS-2, T34, SU-80/100, ISU-152 who have fought in Battle of Berlin, were upgraded with "spaced armour" (by placing a rigid grid around the vehicle) but this kind of armour has already been used before by the German Panzer IV (which was more known as Panzerschürze - tank skirts).
Second, PTRDs could MAXIMUM penetrate only 40mm of vertical armour ( BS-41 ). Which means it was ineffective against all german heavy tanks including Panther, Tiger I, Tiger II, Jagdpanther and Elefant - plus most medium tanks were invulnerable from the front (Panzer IV, Stug III, jagdpanzer IV, Hetzer). They could only be penetrated from the sides/back.
The Panther had 40mm on the sides, though it was angled at 40°, making it also invulnerable against the PTRD.
At the end, I found also some grammtical erros... wrong: "Panther and Tiger tanks has made" - have is correct. also: "This lets them" - false. "This allows them to" would be correct.
regards, BlackDahliaMurder.
While reading the armory information table on moddb.com, I've found some errors which I wanted to post here.
First of all, The SU-85 didn't have "cage armour", this type of armour has not been used during WW2. Cage armour or also called "bar armor, slat armor, and standoff armor" (Heavy or layered armor) was designed AFTER WW2 to protect vehicles against anti tank rocket-propelled grenades, not anti tank rounds used by tank guns (which means the given information is totally wrong).
Cage armor can easily be defeated by APCR and HVAP (High Velocity Armour Piercing) tank rounds mostly used by the 75mm of the Panther or the 88mm KwK from the Tiger.
In other words: EVEN IF the SU-85 had cage armor (WHICH WAS NOT IN USE DURING WW2!), it could not survive a direct hit by a high velocity AP round.
By the end of WW2 though (1945), many Russian tanks such as the IS-2, T34, SU-80/100, ISU-152 who have fought in Battle of Berlin, were upgraded with "spaced armour" (by placing a rigid grid around the vehicle) but this kind of armour has already been used before by the German Panzer IV (which was more known as Panzerschürze - tank skirts).
Second, PTRDs could MAXIMUM penetrate only 40mm of vertical armour ( BS-41 ). Which means it was ineffective against all german heavy tanks including Panther, Tiger I, Tiger II, Jagdpanther and Elefant - plus most medium tanks were invulnerable from the front (Panzer IV, Stug III, jagdpanzer IV, Hetzer). They could only be penetrated from the sides/back.
The Panther had 40mm on the sides, though it was angled at 40°, making it also invulnerable against the PTRD.
At the end, I found also some grammtical erros... wrong: "Panther and Tiger tanks has made" - have is correct. also: "This lets them" - false. "This allows them to" would be correct.
regards, BlackDahliaMurder.
Last edited December 28, 2009 at 4:54 PM by BlackDahliaMurder
