Er.. Yes, a suggestion from Loup (Wolf, in French)

Y'know... this just ain't right. Them are the soviets damn it.
How about you guys add a 2xT34(Whatever+2 guard call in
or something? Once all the buildings are in place. Perhaps
needs an upgrade. Some like the 2x Panther call-in from the
PEs.

Also, I saw nothing about improved economics, or resiliency.
Soviets could take massive losses and jump right back in.

PE has it (all doctrines), USA has it (infantry). Most have
a super-unit (tank) call-in. Why not a T34 call-in? One
(or two) is nice. Even better. Make it a 1 unit call-in earlier
on, and change it to 2x later as an extra upgrade. That'd
help make the soviet tank fleet bigger faster. Make it
expensive, somewhat, so it's not OP. Just a nice way to
jump back in faster.

Even better, make 'em random type. (SU85, T34/76,
T34/85...) T70s earlier on. But I like the 1(2) T34(85)
call-in best (with infantry). Upgrading as tech moves
along (cost could increase as well, depending).
*** NOT IS2, etc *** but T34, being massively mass-
produced.

(Soviets don't have a build tank fast upgrade either) :p

Thoughts, anyone?

Last edited November 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM by Loupblanc

THE FIRST TIME LOUP HAS TRIED TO BRING A SUBJECT BACK ON TRACK GOOD JOB!!!!
http://yaleaasablog.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/fortune-cookie.jpg I think the cookie tells the future..........

While I like the basic idea, I think it should be just that, a simple 2 x T-34 call in after all buildings have been built and you get a moderately expensive upgrade. No need to have random units or upgrading the ability. Remember K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple stupid)

I've improved on the idea somewhat, and like it a lot.
It also nerfs the SU85 to permit the T34/76 to exist and
even be desirable.

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you're right :) The cookie tells the future!
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This should be called : Upgradeable T34 call-ins, and graded
nerf for SU85.

http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=1275.45

Tweaking to SU85 to favor T34/76 initial deployment and
use :

* Can't summon SU85 before T34/76 (Like British Firefly vs
HQ Cromwell).
* First SU85's get weak crew until T34/85 upgrade.
(Which also fixes the -2 vet of T34/76's?)
* Limit on how many SU85's (2-3 is nice)
* Cage on T34 not SU85
* Make the xtra range be an global? Upgrade. Perhaps
part of the T34/85 upgrade. Increase cost of T34/85
upgrade, reduce cost of SU85.

--- Call-ins :
  Call-ins is ability which can be researched once got all
Soviet buildings ? They are not instant. They work like an
off-field Tank Factory (Ural Mountains?) The 'build' time is
actually 'transport' time until they come in-game. They
are called from the HQ and this call-in can be upgraded
upon.

Initial : Cost 900 (does not change)
Only 1 T34/76 (does not upgrade to T34/85
when the upgrade is paid for)
- Improvements :
*Double the call-ins. (Same cost)
*Add Infantry (Svelky?) 1 Squad per Tank.
Or better yet, tank rider squads (They got a ride!)
* T34/85 upgrade (Only purchasable after 'normal'
T34/85 upgrade has been bought. This affects
call-ins (One or both). (Perhaps call-ins could be
1 76, 1 76 or 85, 2 76+85, 2 85+85?)

All of these upgrades are completely independant of
other upgrades. This ability starts as being overpriced and
emergency-only, to being cost-efficient, but the investment
for this is somewhat steep. As per historical.

Note : The T34/85 upgrade (normal one) removes the
conscript vet from T34/76's and SU85.

Advantages :
No new models needed. Easy to code. Historical.
Comes with built-in balance. And is not overpowered at
first.
Can be tweaked as desired, of course.

Yes, this is a repost, to make it easier to find.

Soviets should also have low upkeep. As their army
favors mass rather than quality, like Wehr. I'd be tempted
to say add the USA Supply depot ability, but that's
asking for it. Right now, Soviets are a little simplistic, this
gives them a bit more depth?

*** Yes, a simply system is simply to make it a 2x T34
(Whatever the upgrade 76 or 85) happens to be at current.

But I would like it to come a bit earlier, more a PART of
what the soviets are about? And it summonning only a single
T34 at first. Then 2 after an upgrade.

Adding infantry to the mix would be nice as well, making it
a more combined approach, and not pure Pz4/1x37AA Flak
spam, if you guys know what I mean.

It also encourages the 'throw at the enemy in waves'
tactic. As per historical. And allows a ... general weakness
of quality-per-unit factor ?

Open to discussion.
I think it's an interesting idea that can be implemented fairly
quickly. Both in real quick and nasty approach, due to
closeness of release, and refined further upon as other
patches come into play. Allowing further balancing, of
course.

Last edited December 8, 2009 at 7:37 AM by Loupblanc

After your shameless thread advertising I thought I might aswell reply  ::)

I do like the idea of having a PE style call in for a T34 or two. Like you said it would add to the pool of armoured units the soviets can send into the fight.

As for nerfing the SU-85 etc I'm not really sure, what with us not having played the beta you cant really say how balanced/un-balanced something will be. Best leave it to those testing, even if there is only two of them :P

Cheers

Awww, thank you :) I luv ya man ! :D

Well, it can be used for troops/or/AND Tanks. Right now,
they greatly lowered the training time on infantry and...
I don't know. Lacks flavor?

The scalable call-ins would give a 'brought from Ural' definite
flavor, and compensate for the lack of a defensive mindset.
(No HMGs). It also gives the T34/76 more face time :)

Burrito said that the SU85 didn't have the crew defects
of the T34/76, fires far and packs a hell of a whallop.
Doesn't NEED upgrade like the T34/76, and remains useful
longer whereas T34/76 gets left in the dust when the
IS2/T34/85 show up. Yknow?

If well implemented my solution isn't overpowered, and
balances pros and cons, and is something worthwhile to
invest in :)

While I like the idea of a PE-style call-in T34/76, I think the way you made it, is just too complicating and too confusing.

This upgrade effects that and this will tweak here while buffing there and removing something in unit XY at the same time than ...  ;D

I hope you get what I mean.
A simple 2x T34/76 Call-in, which is available, after the T34/85 is upgraded, is in my opinion enough.
So it both adds to the use of the /85-upgrade and the use of the old /76 tank, which was still common in 1944/45.

Sure, that works fine :)

But I want that in, please! :)

Seems like SU85 isn't so OP, after all.
Now just need to get more T34/76 unto the field.

Can even make one for infantry, that way, don't need to
severely shorten training time?

Last edited December 9, 2009 at 5:33 PM by Loupblanc

According to what beta testers and especially BurroDiablo mentioned (really LMAO when seeing those three little H35s killing the IS2.  ;D ), the soviets aren't in any way OP.
In contrary, they've a hard time messing with the Germans...

Loupblanc wrote:
Can even make one for infantry, that way, don't need to
severely shorten training time?

Maybe build 2 infantry mustering tents, if you want in a short time a big mass of inf?  :)
Keep it simple. Only T34/76 call-in and (nearly) everybody is fine.  8)

QuoteMaybe build 2 infantry mustering tents, if you want in a short time a big mass of inf?

I'd be good with that.

QuoteOnly T34/76 call-in and (nearly) everybody is fine.

Maybe make them T34/85's when you get the upgrade just a suggestion

Don't like the xtra mustering tents approach. As the HQ
space is limited. In the case of soviets it's a bit more
critical as their Tech is based off of that as well...

Would soviets get xtra tech as a result of xtra mustering
tents, say 3, 4 ?

- I really want those 'basic, non-doctrine' dual T34 call-ins :)
- As you said, it's really hard for soviets to win right now.
That call-in would help them bounce right back.