moblie 88

Every German nation in this game gets a 88 (if you get the right tech) I would like to see the ostheer have a mobile 88 though (not a tiger) but like what Rommel did. It should take them a long time to set up and go somewhere else but in case of emergency they can leave

This would be nice, seeing as current 88's get the crap beaten out of them by arty. I think the 88 should be able to switch from AT to artillery as well, seeing as that is how they were used in the real war

Voop_Bakon wrote:
This would be nice, seeing as current 88's get the crap beaten out of them by arty. I think the 88 should be able to switch from AT to artillery as well, seeing as that is how they were used in the real war

yeah and pluss that they get destroyed by arty

How should a mobile FlaK 36 work?

It was much too heavy to be pulled around by its crew, furthermore making it "attachable" too vehicles like HTs would be an unfair advantage over the "old" factions, since they can't carry their heavy guns with vehicles.

In contrary I'm all for leaving the 88 completly out of the weaponry of the Ostheer.  :P

Aouch wrote:
How should a mobile FlaK 36 work?

It was much too heavy to be pulled around by its crew, furthermore making it "attachable" too vehicles like HTs would be an unfair advantage over the "old" factions, since they can't carry their heavy guns with vehicles.

In contrary I'm all for leaving the 88 completly out of the weaponry of the Ostheer.  :P

I am sure there are things that can be done to even it out. Also putting a timer onto it so you can only shoot it once in a while would be something to even it out (p.S. It would kind of be like a nebelwarfer, besides that you would need to make a skin for a vehicle to go with it.

the 88 was the in the early years one of just a few weapons that could beat the russian t 34/76- never ever leave it out for the ostheer

imagine some 88s built in your base that slowly are moved near the opponent base until they shoot and destroy it while they are covered by other troops... instant & easy win? not a bad idea but, is it really possible to implement it in the game without break the balance? ???

Marcus wrote:
imagine some 88s built in your base that slowly are moved near the opponent base until they shoot and destroy it while they are covered by other troops... instant & easy win? not a bad idea but, is it really possible to implement it in the game without break the balance? ???

Yes because a RELY RELY slow anti tank gun will definitely make it from one side of a 4v4 map to the other side without a single dint in it yeah???? I mean it won't come out in the beginning stages do you think I am crazy???? "LOL yeah lets let the Ostheer have a 88 in its hq so they can just build one of those right off and send it to the enemy base  :P"  There are PLENTY of things that can balance that out. (sending two or three conscripts and flanking it on every side would do it)

Well, here's my answer to your moble 88 situation  ;)

ford_prefect wrote:

Marcus wrote:
imagine some 88s built in your base that slowly are moved near the opponent base until they shoot and destroy it while they are covered by other troops... instant & easy win? not a bad idea but, is it really possible to implement it in the game without break the balance? ???

Yes because a RELY RELY slow anti tank gun will definitely make it from one side of a 4v4 map to the other side without a single dint in it yeah???? I mean it won't come out in the beginning stages do you think I am crazy???? "LOL yeah lets let the Ostheer have a 88 in its hq so they can just build one of those right off and send it to the enemy base  :P"  There are PLENTY of things that can balance that out. (sending two or three conscripts and flanking it on every side would do it)

who talked of 4vs4?of course there's no problem with 4vs4 games, but usually the most played games on coh are 1vs1 :) would it be fair in a 1vs1?

Aouch wrote:
How should a mobile FlaK 36 work?

It was much too heavy to be pulled around by its crew, furthermore making it "attachable" too vehicles like HTs would be an unfair advantage over the "old" factions, since they can't carry their heavy guns with vehicles.

In contrary I'm all for leaving the 88 completly out of the weaponry of the Ostheer.  :P

Hey: Pak 43/41 Scheunentor was pulled by soldiers ;) But you ned 12 or more of them to move the Scheunentor 88.

Lord wrote:

Aouch wrote:
How should a mobile FlaK 36 work?

It was much too heavy to be pulled around by its crew, furthermore making it "attachable" too vehicles like HTs would be an unfair advantage over the "old" factions, since they can't carry their heavy guns with vehicles.

In contrary I'm all for leaving the 88 completly out of the weaponry of the Ostheer.  :P

Hey: Pak 43/41 Scheunentor was pulled by soldiers ;) But you ned 12 or more of them to move the Scheunentor 88.

they could simplify it by making a model for a opel truck. Kind of like the horses in Empire total war. Once they unpack they just hang around not doing any thing. When it needs to move they just hook it up

FriendlyFire wrote:


Well, here's my answer to your moble 88 situation  ;)

This could work with a high set up/pack up time. As long as it was at the end of a tech tree and was 3-4 Command Points

Voop_Bakon wrote:

FriendlyFire wrote:


Well, here's my answer to your moble 88 situation  ;)

This could work with a high set up/pack up time. As long as it was at the end of a tech tree and was 3-4 Command Points

yes at the very end of a tech tree so maybe you wont even get it if you choose a different tech tree

I mean that this 3 88 vehicles were not used at the eastern front. I think that this vehicles were improvisation by the western frontline troups ;)

Lord wrote:
I mean that this 3 88 vehicles were not used at the eastern front. I think that this vehicles were improvisation by the western frontline troups ;)

do we know this as a fact for sure? (just asking)

These vehicles were used in the Polish and French champagnes as mobile anti aircraft but later as anti tank weapons. It was a Flak 88 mounted on a Daimler-Benz 18-ton semi-tracked carriers.In 1940 15 were built and there were plans for 112 more in 1941-2 but they were canceled because they realized a full-tracked, fully armored vehicle was a better idea. But it still would be a nice addition to the mod.

Ju-87 wrote:
These vehicles were used in the Polish and French champagnes as mobile anti aircraft but later as anti tank weapons. It was a Flak 88 mounted on a Daimler-Benz 18-ton semi-tracked carriers.In 1940 15 were built and there were plans for 112 more in 1941-2 but they were canceled because they realized a full-tracked, fully armored vehicle was a better idea. But it still would be a nice addition to the mod.

No offense but........................I don't think that the Germans had many of those in the invasion of Poland

QuoteIn 1940 15 were built and there were plans for 112 more

He didnt say that many were built, only 15. I could easily imagine that 15 could be slapped together by guys on the front line as opposed to built in factorys.

Why make a 88 attached to SdKfz.?
There is already a mobile 88, the Tiger I. Also, there could be the Nashorn, though I don't like that idea at all.

The idea with the horses or tractive unit don't really fit into CoH.
Just a few arguments against:

1. What happens when the vehicle gets destroyed or the horses get killed?


2. It's very unlikely the DEVs are able to do an animation for that. I don't want to doubt the leetness of the DEV-crew, but I think it's rather difficult if not impossible to create such an anim.


3. It just doesn't fit into EF, because EF wants to be an inofficial expansion. Therefore, it would be a bit odd when only the Ostheer has a basic ability like towing their guns to vehicles.

It was more then less used as a mobile anti aircraft weapon to protect the tank columns. And I would think that the 15 that were built were being used as a trail to see how they would perform.

Last edited November 6, 2009 at 4:07 PM by Ju-87

Ju-87 wrote:
It was more then less used as a mobile anti aircraft weapon to protect the tank columns. And I would think that the 15 that were built were being used as a trail to see how they would perform.

are you suggesting.........a train car with a 88 on it? You are my best friend on this mod right now ;D

Ju-87 wrote:
These vehicles were used in the Polish and French champagnes as mobile anti aircraft but later as anti tank weapons. It was a Flak 88 mounted on a Daimler-Benz 18-ton semi-tracked carriers.In 1940 15 were built and there were plans for 112 more in 1941-2 but they were canceled because they realized a full-tracked, fully armored vehicle was a better idea. But it still would be a nice addition to the mod.

1940: 30 SdKfz. 8 were equiped with Flak 18 8,8cm for 3 anti-tank-units.
1942: 15 SdKfz. 9 were qquiped with Flak 36 8,8cm for some anti-tank units at the western front.
But no of this half-tracks were used at the eastern front ;)
( source: lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de )

Just to say, in the Game Blitzkrieg 2 in the champaign they had armored train cars withe Panzer 4 tank turrets mounted on them.
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Last edited November 7, 2009 at 3:05 PM by Ju-87

Ju-87 wrote:
Just to say, in the Game Blitzkrieg 2 in the champaign they had armored train cars withe Panzer 4 tank turrets mounted on them.

there is also the bunkers on I think the map "semois" that's probably not it but I know a map where there is a panzer four bunker 

Just do it as they do in the eir and omg mod where you can just call in a truck that moves the 88. The truck can then move around and build it where you want.


But of course the truck has low low health and its a pretty long setup time (but still shorter then building it)

That would be good, after setting up the 88 you can use the truck for troop transport and as a munitions vehicle.

88mm flak 18 (sfl) on zugkraftwagen 12to (sdkfz 8 ) build in 1938 and 1939 10 -12 vehicles... tragets: bunkers
these vehicles are called bunkerflak... used first in czechoslovakia, poland and france to kill bunkers and artillery observation bunkers later for antitank... fired in driving direction + 5° on both sides...

userstupidname wrote:
Just do it as they do in the eir and omg mod where you can just call in a truck that moves the 88. The truck can then move around and build it where you want.


But of course the truck has low low health and its a pretty long setup time (but still shorter then building it)

I like it to

The info I put in about the 88mm on a half track came from a book I have, It was under anti amour and the book said it was a Flak 18.

Ju-87 wrote:
The info I put in about the 88mm on a half track came from a book I have, It was under anti amour and the book said it was a Flak 18.

Well it would be cool to have one. And I don't think the devs  have started to make the ostheer ;)

The idea with the horses or tractive unit don't really fit into CoH.
Just a few arguments against:

•What happens when the vehicle gets destroyed or the horses get killed?
: They vanish into pixel dust? :)

•It's very unlikely the DEVs are able to do an animation for that. I don't want to doubt the leetness of the DEV-crew, but I think it's rather difficult if not impossible to create such an anim.
: Make them with no animation :) Just wooden static
horses in front of the carriage :) Then find a way to work
on it. Could be awesome side-project. Then work on dogs
Awesome vs Snipers or Soviet anti-tank dog packs!
: Impossible? They said animating T34 was impossible!

•It just doesn't fit into EF, because EF wants to be an inofficial expansion. Therefore, it would be a bit odd when only the Ostheer has a basic ability like towing their guns to vehicles.
: Only soviets have 0 pop infantry.
: Only british have AMERICAN 105mm Priest
(Which fucked up their ammo procurement)
: Only germans have UNIQUE LIFE units (KT/JP)
: Only british have captains (Now that'S weird)
: Only american have paratroopers :)
(Germans pop out of buildings and british come from
gliders. I meant actual parachutes) Isn't that odd?
: Only americans hav

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: Only american have paratroopers :)
(Germans pop out of buildings and british come from
gliders. I meant actual parachutes) Isn't that odd?
: Only americans have callioppe (It's a T34 Soviet weapon)
(Before you say Katyusha, its a T34 system!!!)

... Why can't soviets use that?
Or have flamethrower KV8, T34O, etc?

: Why do soviets have KV2 when it was completely
phased out by 1944? :)
(Gimme KV85!!)
(I know, no point because of SU85, T34/85, IS2/122
and conscripts :)

Last edited November 8, 2009 at 4:27 AM by Loupblanc

Loupblanc wrote:
The idea with the horses or tractive unit don't really fit into CoH.
Just a few arguments against:

•What happens when the vehicle gets destroyed or the horses get killed?
: They vanish into pixel dust? :)

•It's very unlikely the DEVs are able to do an animation for that. I don't want to doubt the leetness of the DEV-crew, but I think it's rather difficult if not impossible to create such an anim.
: Make them with no animation :) Just wooden static
horses in front of the carriage :) Then find a way to work
on it. Could be awesome side-project. Then work on dogs
Awesome vs Snipers or Soviet anti-tank dog packs!
: Impossible? They said animating T34 was impossible!

•It just doesn't fit into EF, because EF wants to be an inofficial expansion. Therefore, it would be a bit odd when only the Ostheer has a basic ability like towing their guns to vehicles.
: Only soviets have 0 pop infantry.
: Only british have AMERICAN 105mm Priest
(Which fucked up their ammo procurement)
: Only germans have UNIQUE LIFE units (KT/JP)
: Only british have captains (Now that'S weird)
: Only american have paratroopers :)
(Germans pop out of buildings and british come from
gliders. I meant actual parachutes) Isn't that odd?
: Only americans hav

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: Only american have paratroopers :)
(Germans pop out of buildings and british come from
gliders. I meant actual parachutes) Isn't that odd?
: Only americans have callioppe (It's a T34 Soviet weapon)
(Before you say Katyusha, its a T34 system!!!)

... Why can't soviets use that?
Or have flamethrower KV8, T34O, etc?

: Why do soviets have KV2 when it was completely
phased out by 1944? :)
(Gimme KV85!!)
(I know, no point because of SU85, T34/85, IS2/122
and conscripts :)

good god.......................I last checked 3 hours ago and you have gone on every recent post and threw a wall at every recent post.
I could counter HALF of these arguments but............I have other things to do and I'd get done in about 2 hours XD

They were part humor, part challenging the person.
Throw in some ideas, not just be a nay-sayer.
You say you could counter half my arguments? Then do so!
:) I dare ya!

: Dead horses. Plenty of dead cow/horses on some maps.
: Pixel dust works too. Dead soldiers vanish after awhile.
: Impossible to model... false. Proven so. Just hasn't been
done - yet!
: Saying not to do something with one army because no
other armies can't do it... is... ... hmm, yknow, The british
are the only ones who use mobile buildings/trucks...

  What's wrong with giving OstHeer an ability no one else
has, as LONG as it is balanced with other factors, and fits
within an overall theme other than 'Be OP, do everything,
with no flaws whatsoever'... nej?

- Well, every faction/doctrine needs something OP to
give them flavor. I'd LOVE for americans to have mobile,
yet slow 105mm Howis. At worse, I wish I could abandon
them. Not have to artillery my own units to get pop back:p

But that's not going to happen anytime soon.
I've played codename panzers (mobile artillery)(Not the SPG)
the actual artilleries. 88 too. Same with Men of War.
Mobile artillery. I like that we can move AT57/PAK37 a lot.

88 is big, yes. But it moves in those. Just throw in some
maluses to make it balanced?

*
Oh god, no. I don't want ISU152 and IS2 to be overpowered.
I just don't want the IS2 to be a panther, and the ISU152
to be a Jagpanther?

I'd just want the IS2 to be a Pershing. With bad optics
(T34/76 flavor) and slow-ass reloading (As per history).
(Strong but slow) rather than copying the panther?
Maybe accuracy too.

The ISU152... is a lot more than a Jagpanther.
Play Man of War, etc, you'll see what I mean.
Poor optics, awesome armor, godly strike, shit poor reloading.
The 1940 version of T34 has poor reloading too, but that
was fixed in the subsequent versions (I heard they changed
the turret to the 1943 version, I believe?)

I was thinking longer-ranged AVRE with AP thrown into
it's HE. And similar to IS maluses (The reloading speed and
far from pin-point accuracy. StuH is a good example here.

I don't want overpowered, not at all.
On the contrary, I'm afraid IS2 will be overpowered, myself.

Our IS-2 is not a 'copied' Panther.

And also, Loupblanc, please stop posting in columns. Fill in the whole box like everybody else does, or I will start deleting your posts.

WartyX wrote:
Our IS-2 is not a 'copied' Panther.

And also, Loupblanc, please stop posting in columns. Fill in the whole box like everybody else does, or I will start deleting your posts.

lol!

if the horse die, can be take by medics (Medic Bunker)¿?

so in the future the horse will be a Granadier.

That Would Be Awesome!  ;)

We could make a Butchers bunker... he runs out with a 12 gauge and puts the horse out of its misery... then your men fight better due to increased meat rations.

nom nom nom

WartyX wrote:
nom nom nom

lol

BurroDiablo wrote:
We could make a Butchers bunker... he runs out with a 12 gauge and puts the horse out of its misery... then your men fight better due to increased meat rations.

Best idea ever

Hmm, you guys are crazy :)
But, look at things positively. It would certainly bring
something new to the game, wouldn't it?

When can the DEVs start working on this?

Loupblanc wrote:
Hmm, you guys are crazy :)
But, look at things positively. It would certainly bring
something new to the game, wouldn't it?

When can the DEVs start working on this?

its called sarcasim

: I was being sarcastic myself  ;)
: Hmm, as for my long posts. You post 3x 4x more than I do,
and there is at least a reply from you in EVERY thread there
is. So, please...
: Your quoting my long ass posts while only adding a line
of your own constitutes spam more than my own posts,
as it also brings nothing constructive :p

Loupblanc wrote:

: I was being sarcastic myself  ;)
: Hmm, as for my long posts. You post 3x 4x more than I do,
and there is at least a reply from you in EVERY thread there
is. So, please...
: Your quoting my long ass posts while only adding a line
of your own constitutes spam more than my own posts,
as it also brings nothing constructive :p

ah now here is somthing funny!!!! You stated almost the same exact thing on another posts. I think he is just trying to rack up posts ;D

Not at all. Just being a wee bit outspoken whereas
before, I said nothing at all. Although we DID speak
some on Modb. I'm Felinewolfie ;)

As for saying the same thing elsewhere, well, at
least Iam consistant. My belief system is stable :)
I care nothing for post points. Just want to blow
up Germans using soviet tanks :)

Loupblanc, did you learn to speak English in Scotland?

his posts sux... think hes only a post collector... writes on every fuckin thread...  >:(

WartyX wrote:
Loupblanc, did you learn to speak English in Scotland?

I know this is off topic but the posts is ruind any way.
they do speak English in Scotland (strongest acents ever!!!!!!) I could not under stand my Grandpa's friend. LOL this guy was a farmer up North man could not under stand a word he said.
and also his account says he is in Canada and he posts in the French colum so I guess Toronto yeah?
And don't some scots speak Scottish Gaelic?