OH Heavy Tanks

So are the OH Pz.IV, Panther and Tiger I equivalent to the Wehr versions (or PE vesion for the Panther) or do they have unique stats?

I don't know, but it feels like they have different stats, but I don't actually know.  :-\
But, hey the Panzer IV feels just right!  ;D

I think Tigers and Panthers are weaker. Almost sure about the Panther because one M10 managed to take almost 2/3 of health of a Panther in a front to front armor engagement, I got scared and had to bring up a P3 to finish the job- LOL.

P4 is definitely more powerful and a better representation of what a late version P4 was, it will always beat an un-upgraded  Sherman since its shots now actually reliably penetrate front armor of medium tanks.

Panzer IV's ambush skill is quite nasty. One shot from ambush almost killed T-70 (second shot killed).

But I like PzIII as it's cheap and veterancy upgrades makes it very nasty so I usually just spam those (hate me if you want!) althought 1 KV is often a better reason bring bigger cat's to play...

All 3 of them are specialised for anti tank duties. the stats were modified for this combat role (e.g. PzIV is close to US M10 combat stats).

m4chineSpirit wrote:
I think Tigers and Panthers are weaker. Almost sure about the Panther because one M10 managed to take almost 2/3 of health of a Panther in a front to front armor engagement, I got scared and had to bring up a P3 to finish the job- LOL.

P4 is definitely more powerful and a better representation of what a late version P4 was, it will always beat an un-upgraded  Sherman since its shots now actually reliably penetrate front armor of medium tanks.

that M10 had to have been vet 3  or something to do that lol

I mean the pzIV is a kind of cheap and good tank killer (when u compare prize and combat stats) like us m10.

robotnik wrote:

m4chineSpirit wrote:
I think Tigers and Panthers are weaker. Almost sure about the Panther because one M10 managed to take almost 2/3 of health of a Panther in a front to front armor engagement, I got scared and had to bring up a P3 to finish the job- LOL.

P4 is definitely more powerful and a better representation of what a late version P4 was, it will always beat an un-upgraded  Sherman since its shots now actually reliably penetrate front armor of medium tanks.

that M10 had to have been vet 3  or something to do that lol

I am almost certain it was not, I was skirmishing with hard computer on Angoville to see how Ostheer plays (great in my opinion), computer even exposed its rear armor on retreat and saved me at least one shot. So, were there any changes to basic Panther armor stats? It might just have been a fluke.

maybe jojo added back the unit health modifiers which the AI had

also, it doesnt matter which way an M10 faces, a panther will always penetrate it :P

im not sure if changes were made to panther armor stats though

I know that Panther always penetrates M10, what I meant was that when M10 turned around, turret turned with it and disrupted his firing, he had at least one shot in him before it was scrap metal. Sorry for not being clear. It happens all the time with the AI, they neither save their tanks with such moves nor do they maximize damage.

Panther penetrates M10 and sherman armour with every shot. A m10 takes 3 shots to die and Panthers take 5 shots.

The armour stats from Ostheer Tiger, Panther and Pz IV are equal to their Wehrmacht counterparts. However, their main gun is different:

Tiger I and Pz IV are armed with Pzgranate 39, which is an armour piercing shell. So both Tiger I and Pz IV sacrifice anti-infantry power for better performance against enemy tanks and for more attack range (45m compared to 40m). The Panther gun is unchanged and the same as the Wehrmacht/PE Panther gun.

In general: Tiger I is the strongest Ostheer tank in slugfests against IS 2s, T34 and ISU tanks because he has huge health and a powerful gun which can penetrate all soviet tanks reliably. The Panther is almost as strong in terms of damage/penetration, and it combines very good maneuverability with good accuracy (15% more on the move compared to other tanks). The PzIV is very useful for setting up flanks and ambushes with its cloak ability, and also decent against T34 and Shermans/Cromwells.

M10 misfire. The oldest bug ever. Iwonder why it wasnt fixed in this mod. Maybe because this mod wasnt intended to.be played as allies but anyways it.would be great to be fixed.
Any chance of seeing tournaments in the near future.

Tom wrote:
M10 misfire. The oldest bug ever. Iwonder why it wasnt fixed in this mod. Maybe because this mod wasnt intended to.be played as allies but anyways it.would be great to be fixed.
Any chance of seeing tournaments in the near future.

It's a model issue and can't be fixed.

The M10 in EF is using the CMP model that had that issue "fixed". And that's is as fixed as you will get it.

I use quotes because there is no real fix to that AFAIK, but it can be just reduced. So, it will happen from time to time, but not as common as it used to be.

How about replacing the model with a different one with a flawless gun but with the same stats.

Tom wrote:
How about replacing the model with a different one with a flawless gun but with the same stats.

There is nothing else to add as far as I know. Do you remember we did that in the past? We used the M36 Jackson as replacement, however as it was based on the M10 it had the same issue.

Thank you for the responses, I found out why my Tiger felt so weak, it's because most of it's shots dissapeared mid flight or went through the target in question. This should probably be added to the page on Ostheer bugs though...

The Ostheer tiger uses the same projectiles than the Wehrmacht tiger, and the projectile wasn't modified by EF. What kind of targets it missed? Remember this unit is intended to be used as AT and not as all-rounder like the Wehr one.

I fought a battle today (3vs3) and my opponent was really mad about the Tiger spam saying it should be fixed. I had 3 tigers that I was constantly reviving one of my allies had 2 Tigers. He said this should be stopped cause they are cheaper..any thoughts on this?

Blackbishop wrote:
The Ostheer tiger uses the same projectiles than the Wehrmacht tiger, and the projectile wasn't modified by EF. What kind of targets it missed? Remember this unit is intended to be used as AT and not as all-rounder like the Wehr one.

it was trying to kill a puny SU-76 but I saw the first 2 rounds dissapear mid air and the 3rd round pass through the SU's chassis dealing no damage. All the while the SU was ripping me apart with great vigor and nocked me down to 2/3 health so i had to pull back in shame

And where were his IS2s in mean time ?
And as far as I remember tiger reviving is soo long... + when famo is reviving an unit it need one shot to be killed.

I know he kept ranting on about it while I repaired them he even saw me repairing them and did nothing he had an is-2 is-152 or whatever that big assault gun is and 2 heavyier tank destroyers :P we ended their careers XD                                                                also the tiger shots stopping has seemed to happened to me to when they fire and the unit disappears the shot does to and doesn't hit the unit

Last edited July 8, 2013 at 9:52 PM by panthertank67